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A Christly answer

December 31, 2012

What a sad depressing event at Sandy hook, just before Christmas....

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mikekerstetter

Dec-31-12 5:02 AM

Amen Mr Dudley. Without God our moral compass has been lost.

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CMReeder

Dec-31-12 7:06 AM

How much of a moral compass are you with a Bible in one hand and a gun in the other?

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mikekerstetter

Dec-31-12 7:17 AM

Chuck, I've never pointed my weapons at another person. It's pathetic that you have stooped so low as to calling someone immoral for owning a gun.

We have a deranged person who gunned down 20 children and 6 adults before taking his own life and that has you and your ilk screaming for a re-examination of it's gun laws. But each year in the US we allow 1.2 million children to be murdered via abortion, and that is OK with you. I think it's time we re-examine our morals.

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CMReeder

Dec-31-12 7:30 AM

How moral are you with a Bible in one hand and a gun in the other?

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GoBB62

Dec-31-12 8:01 AM

It's always amusing to watch libs get their panties in a bunch whenever the topic of religion comes up.

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CMReeder

Dec-31-12 8:09 AM

"It's always amusing to watch libs get their panties in a bunch whenever the topic of religion comes up."

The right has a Bible wedgie!

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spike2

Dec-31-12 8:12 AM

Just a thought - God, being God - can any person really take him out of schools or anywhere? Seems like you believe man is more powerful than God.

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CMReeder

Dec-31-12 8:16 AM

The armed intruders were drunk. You took action and the result was them leaving. You did call authorites did you not after they left? The question is about morals and the supposed lost of a moral compass. It is not about protection. How moral is it with a Bible in one hand and a gun in the other?

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Bufftrev1

Dec-31-12 8:47 AM

Hi all.. nonsense, mankind does not need organized religion to have a sense of right or wrong.. in fact, a convincing argument can easily be made for organized religions adding much to human misery.

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philunderwood

Dec-31-12 8:56 AM

Just what does owning or not owning a gun have to do with morality?

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gavinf56

Dec-31-12 9:09 AM

Before one can explain the morality of holding a gun in 1 hand while holding the bible in the other, one would first have to explain what about it that is immoral other than just not liking guns.

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MrShaman

Dec-31-12 9:17 AM

"It's always amusing to watch libs get their panties in a bunch whenever the topic of religion comes up." - GoBB62

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...And, THAT'S the purpose of "Christians'" perpetual/public-displays o' "self-flagellation"????

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JosephOtto

Dec-31-12 9:24 AM

1-It is not necessary to be religious to be moral.

2-A gun is indeed an inert piece of matter. So is a grenade launcher. Why is one legal and not the other?

3-"We reap what we sow." Another sickening assertion that this wonderful God allowed innocent children to be slaughtered because we don't worship Him in public enough.

"What is there to fear?" Why is fear even necessary? Are you telling me if not for the fear of being punished you would murder, steal, rape and become a completely immoral person? Quite a sad state of affairs.

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Class144

Dec-31-12 9:25 AM

Since this country has been founded, a great majority of it’s citizens have been Christian. During their leadership, we massacred Native Americans and stole their land. We had slavery. A great civil war. At one time neither woman nor blacks could vote. We’ve sent our poor young men die in senseless wars while the rich were given deferments. We’ve even had biblical verses and references to the bible engraved on our weapons. Figure that one out, moments before you pull the trigger and send a round into another human’s head. Maybe it’s time we rethink our way of spreading compassion. Do we treat people well because you feel it’s the right think to do in your heart, or is it because we feel some invisible space god is watching us 24 hours a day? Even sadder is the fact that the more religious or fanatical a follower becomes, the more they feel justified to commit atrocities in the name of their god who, BTW, has never prevented a child from being murdered or sexually abused.

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Class144

Dec-31-12 9:36 AM

“I think it's time we re-examine our morals.”

Yet you have no problem with taking an innocent child and indoctrinating them in your cult. You’ll tell them that this invisible space god is watching 24hrs a day, and, if they do something wrong, anything, even something as biological normal as self-pleasure (Catholic guilt trips) their god will throw them in the basement and torture them for eternity? What kind of ‘father’ does this to it’s children. Many religions, including Christianity, decide what’s best for a child when it’s born, hence they mutilate it’s genitals. Finally, you are not content with keeping your religion in your churches, but you want to thrust it upon me in the public square, schools, and courthouses. More god more god more dog your leaders scream while having affairs, gay, or otherwise, behind the public’s back. Based on the history of Christianity, the inquisitions, etc., you should first worry about your own brand of morality and hypocrisy.

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JosephOtto

Dec-31-12 9:52 AM

To answer my own question I made in point #2 below - obviously grenade launchers are too much destructive power to entrust to a single non-military individual. The same argument is currently under discussion.

I don't want to take away all your guns. We do have a second amendment and you do have the right to defend yourself, hunt and sport shoot. And I'm not in favor of banning so-called "assault weapons" just because they're scarier looking than a deer rifle. I think its strictly an issue of function and destructive capability. The question of magazine size speaks directly to that point and I'm all in favor of limiting the legal size of the clips.

The other issue is background checks, which I understand the NRA supports wholeheartedly. I should be flat out illegal to purchase a gun without one, including private sales and gun shows, and there should be some form of legal and counterfeit-proof documentation to prove that one was done.

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philunderwood

Dec-31-12 9:59 AM

Religion is no more responsible for all of mankind’s ills than it is the answer to all of mankind’s ills. It’s time for both sides to pause and reflect upon the facts of human nature and consider the best way to channel it in a positive way for society.

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mikekerstetter

Dec-31-12 10:24 AM

JosephOtto-"It is not necessary to be religious to be moral."

That is true. But there DOES have to be a moral compass directing us to what is moral. Religion has been thrown out and nothing has replaced it.

JosephOtto-""We reap what we sow." Another sickening assertion that this wonderful God allowed innocent children to be slaughtered because we don't worship Him in public enough."

You completely missed the point. God did't allow it we didn't Worship in public enough. We are reaping what we so because we have become a nation ofa "anything goes', "if it doesn't hurt you why do you care" attitude. On one hand we have abortion that kills 1.5 million children a year then we act all shocked and surprised when we have people who don't value human life and go in and commit mass murder in a school. We have rap songs, movies and video games that glamorize violence then act surprised when someone who's mentally unstable acts out like he's in a

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mikekerstetter

Dec-31-12 10:26 AM

We have rap songs, movies and video games that glamorize violence then act surprised when someone who's mentally unstable acts out like he's in a video game or movie. Yeah, we reap what we sow.

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mikekerstetter

Dec-31-12 10:31 AM

CMReeder 7:06 AM How much of a moral compass are you with a Bible in one hand and a gun in the other?

CMReeder 7:30 AM How moral are you with a Bible in one hand and a gun in the other?

CMReeder 8:16 AM How moral is it with a Bible in one hand and a gun in the other?

I think Chuck has a 5 y/o fill in this morning. All we need is an 'I know what you are but what am I?' and his argument will be complete.

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mikekerstetter

Dec-31-12 10:33 AM

gavinf56-"Before one can explain the morality of holding a gun in 1 hand while holding the bible in the other, one would first have to explain what about it that is immoral other than just not liking guns."

One would think so. But we all know Chuck doesn't think like a normal person.

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DavidBross

Dec-31-12 10:47 AM

"Sandy Hook will never be the same living with this hanging over them, for many years to come, a lot like Salem Mass." Is the author referring to the witch trials? Or, did I miss some more recent event there?

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JosephOtto

Dec-31-12 10:57 AM

Mike - my moral compass is nothing more than observing what produces happiness and well-being and minimizes suffering.

"if it doesn't hurt you why do you care" - judge me guilty on that one. If I'm not hurting anyone physically, emotionally, financially, etc etc etc - why DO you care what I'm doing?

Abortion is an issue we'll never agree on, I don't consider an embryo to be a "child." Suffice it to say I am Pro-Choice; yet I'm generally a kind, peaceful, law-abiding person.

I sort of agree about the whole "culture of violence" problem but I'm not sure what can legally or legislatively be done about it without incurring problems with censorship, commerce, free speech, etc. The solution needs to come from society itself, but don't ask me how.

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CMReeder

Dec-31-12 11:33 AM

How is it moral to hold a Bible in one hand and holding a gun in the other?

The right has a real difficult problem amswering this question. They love these letters that say we have lost our moral compass and citing we need more guns. They equate guns and God so answer the question.

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CMReeder

Dec-31-12 11:35 AM

"I think Chuck has a 5 y/o fill in this morning. All we need is an 'I know what you are but what am I?' and his argument will be complete."

You can't answer the question. So you do a childish attack.

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