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The real culprit

December 31, 2012

Who, besides Adam Lanza, was responsible for the carnage inflicted upon the students and staff at Sandy Hook Elementary School? Was it Congress and the Connecticut Legislators who enacted firearm......

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USABorn

Jan-01-13 5:53 AM

"He (Garcia) was shooting at a marked unit," Bexar County Sheriff Ronald Antu said. "He knows he was shooting at an officer so that's (an) automatic (charge of) attempted capital murder."

Garcia continued shooting he entered the theater and then a bathroom inside, the San Antonio, Texas, Express-News reported, adding one of the shots struck a movie patron in the back, but the bullet did not strike any vital organs. The victim was hospitalized and released.

An off-duty officer with the sheriff's department, whose name was not reported, shot and injured Garcia inside the bathroom. Garcia was taken to a hospital and is in stable condition, the newspaper reported.

Pollard said Garcia will be charged with attempted capital murder and aggravated assault, adding more charges may come as police interview additional witnesses.

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USABorn

Jan-01-13 5:51 AM

From a Texas newspaper:

Restaurant employee Jesus Manuel Garcia, 19, was hospitalized after a shooting spree prompted by his breakup with a girlfriend Sunday night. He lashed out by sending her a message he planned to go to the restaurant and "shoot somebody," Bexar County Sheriff's Sgt. Raymond Pollard said.

Garcia allegedly began shooting at the restaurant's front door, across a parking lot from the theater. He then went inside the restaurant, chasing patrons out a back door and shooting. When a police patrol car arrived Garcia allegedly shot out its windshield, shooting at, but not injuring, the police officer.

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CMReeder

Dec-31-12 5:48 PM

I am the one who has a comprehension problem. Were the authorities called after the initial shooting by the man at the resturant? It should be noted that the person who stopped the shooter is a trained person for that type of situation even though she was off duty not a regular gun owner. She was a security officer at the theater not a customer. The shooter shot a police officer in his car.

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mikekerstetter

Dec-31-12 5:01 PM

CMReeder-"No mention in your post if the authorities were called and the person who shot him was an off duty police officer, not an ordinary citizen."

mikekerstetter Dec-31-12 1:01 PM

...There was an off duty county deputy at the theater. SHE pulled out her gun and shot the man 4 times before he had a chance to kill anyone....

No, I didn't post the whole story, he shot at a policeman in a cruiser as he was running towards the theater. But my post definitely stated she was an off duty Deputy Sheriff. The story she was working security at the theater.

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Ritty77

Dec-31-12 3:55 PM

"No mention in your post if the authorities were called..."

So what? She should have allowed the killing to continue until the cops got there?

Get a grip, man!

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Ritty77

Dec-31-12 3:54 PM

"No mention in your post if the authorities were called and the person who shot him was an off duty police officer, not an ordinary citizen."

"There was an off duty county deputy at the theater. SHE pulled out her gun and shot..."

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CMReeder

Dec-31-12 2:54 PM

The bad guy was not consider bad when he purchased his gun. No mention in your post if the authorities were called and the person who shot him was an off duty police officer, not an ordinary citizen.

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JerryfromRI

Dec-31-12 2:20 PM

That Deputy is most certainly a hero and is deserving of our highest praise and thanks.

Thank goodness she was able to stop that nut.

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JerryfromRI

Dec-31-12 2:17 PM

In response to the claim the media is ignoring the story, The Huffington Post reported the story on 12/17.

But I concede it's a sad commentary on our society that we've all become to tone deaf when we hear about yet another shooting. One person get's shot and killed in Texas and it's not national news.

I hope that changes, I hope that IT IS national news EVERY SINGLE TIME someone gets shot and killed.

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mikekerstetter

Dec-31-12 1:56 PM

What does it matter what kind of gun he had? It wasn't a BB gun or water gun. The story is that he was shooting at people and was stopped by a good guy carrying a gun.

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JerryfromRI

Dec-31-12 1:36 PM

What kind of gun did he have?

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mikekerstetter

Dec-31-12 1:03 PM

Slight correction, he was looking for his ex girlfriend but she wasn't there. But he opened fire on the employees.

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mikekerstetter

Dec-31-12 1:01 PM

On Sunday December 17, 2012, 2 days after the CT shooting, a man went to a restaurant in San Antonio to kill his X-girlfriend. After he shot her, most of the people in the restaurant fled next door to a theater. The gunman followed them and entered the theater so he could shoot more people. He started shooting and people in the theater started running and screaming. There was an off duty county deputy at the theater. SHE pulled out her gun and shot the man 4 times before he had a chance to kill anyone. So since this story makes the point that the best thing to stop a bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun, the media is treating it like it never happened.

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JerryfromRI

Dec-31-12 11:04 AM

Let's say we remove the firearms ban at WAHS.

Let's say a student born in January, turns 18 his senior year and brings his firearm to school, you know, for his own protection.

Let's say he doesn't graduate and returns for a 5th year, with his firearm.

Let's say he isn't the only one, and that we've got several dozen armed 18 and 19 year olds at the high school.

Discuss.

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JerryfromRI

Dec-31-12 10:54 AM

@nobud74

Enforcing that on the 40% of gun sales that have no background check?

You now support background checks for ALL firearms sales?

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nobud74

Dec-31-12 10:52 AM

Exactly, Phil. We need to take the emotion out of this discussion, but emotion is what drives some to have knee jerk reactions and out of those reactions come the erosion of rights and privacy.

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nobud74

Dec-31-12 10:50 AM

Chris, Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws in the US, they have had over 500 gun homicides this year. Reducing the availability and toughening the laws while at the same time preventing the law abiding from protecting themselves has not fixed the problem.

You have infused our mental health system and the way it is non-functional with a gun control argument. We sorely need more mental health work to protect not only society but those who suffer from mental health issues. They are separate issues and cannot be combined into a logical argument. We already have the ability to refuse gun ownership to the unstable, how about enforcing that?

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philunderwood

Dec-31-12 10:21 AM

Making possession and use of something illegal only adds to the profit criminals make for dealing in it. We already have an illegal gun market that exists because of background checks and other gun regulations; further restrictions will only enrich the criminals. And no I’m not saying we should eliminate background checks and other attempts at keepping weapons out for the hands of criminals and the mentally troubled.

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CHayes

Dec-31-12 9:44 AM

" Criminals get guns illegally and will get high capacity mags illegally."

The people doing school shootings aren't hardened criminals that have their own personal weapons dealers. They're psychopaths.

How much mustard gas have criminals gotten their hands on? Anti-tank weapons? You make something illegal to REDUCE the availibility, and make it more difficult and expensive to obtain.

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nobud74

Dec-31-12 9:25 AM

Reloading may slow down the shooting but does not prevent the crime. Key word is crime. Criminals get guns illegally and will get high capacity mags illegally. Laws do not prevent criminals from doing bad things, they discourage good people from doing bad things and give us a way to prosecute in a court of law those criminals who break the law. Logic people. Just think through the entire argument without emotion and you will see the above statement is not only true but cannot be defeated.

Whenever you try to legislate behavior you will have rule breakers, no law is perfect and no screening process is perfect.

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DavidBross

Dec-31-12 8:53 AM

H.L. Menchen quoted, "The only good Bureaucrat is one with a gun to his head. Put it in his hand and it's good by to the Bill of Rights." He also said, "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people." Trading quotes is fun, but maybe not as useful as it might seem.

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CMReeder

Dec-31-12 8:27 AM

How is it moral to have a Bible in one hand and gun in the other? What you offered Francine was survival and protection not morals. Why is it what happen in Newtown was because of lack of faith or belief in God? Why is it owning a gun and having a belief in God moral? How is it moral to worship God and say his words and to praise Christ while holding a gun in your hand?

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spike2

Dec-31-12 8:21 AM

No one wants to take guns. No one wants to do anything beyond making sure everyone has a thorough background check, increases mental health reporting and re-examine massive clips. I still can't see the need for more than 5 rounds. Yes, you can reload,but, no matter how quick you might be, a few seconds would mean one less victim. What would re-loading prevent you from doing?

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JerryfromRI

Dec-31-12 7:25 AM

Signs along the highway in CT read:

"WE ARE SANDY HOOK WE CHOOSE LOVE"

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CMReeder

Dec-31-12 7:02 AM

You are one sick individual Mr. Emick.

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