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School shootings

January 3, 2013

The news coming from Newtown Conn. was absolutely horrifying. As I listened to the news reports and each report became more devastating....

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idiottwo

Jan-03-13 7:16 AM

this killer broke a number of laws. Laws don't stop criminals. Take a good look at Mexico or better yet - go there and see how safe you are (thousands are killed and kidnaped). Go to Chicago or DC, very strict gun laws there too. For the most part its criminals with the guns. And while on the subject - where you as horrified with the hundreds killed because of fast and furious? Did you hold anyone accountable for that?

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Josh84

Jan-03-13 7:25 AM

This letter encapsulates the lefts thought process when addressing issues such as these events. "I know nothing about guns, mental health, or the world in general, but something needs to be done... to make me sleep better at night."

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-03-13 8:08 AM

Throughout the US after the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elem, it seems like many families have taken a pause to tell their children how much they love them, hug them, and spend more time with them.

It would be good if these behaviors would continue and that parents (even relatives, and neighbors) would develop deeper relationships with their children.

This might be the biggest deterrent to this type of tragedy happening again.

Go hug a child, tell them that you love them. Read a book with them, play a board game with them, go for a walk with them, build a snowman, go fishing, wash dishes together, throw a baseball, build a doll house, email them, or do any other activity.

Invest yourself and your time into their lives. Build relationships.

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CMReeder

Jan-03-13 8:39 AM

Guards and officers get shot. There is no proof that a armed guard could have stopped the mayhem.

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CHayes

Jan-03-13 8:42 AM

"Had there been a Resource Officer in place that day he would have been in the hall and could have stopped the person with the gun"

Any armed guard the school would have had, would have been heavily outgunned, and almost certainly would have been shot dead before he could have unholstered his weapon. And that's assuming the nut job would chose to enter a building with probably over a dozen entrances, at the one entrance with an armed guard.

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nobud74

Jan-03-13 8:46 AM

You are correct, Charles, officers die in the line of duty. However, those who want to take away gun rights and place even more restrictions on guns and ammo cannot articulate a rational and provable reason to add more laws that will not be enforced. They cannot give a verifiable and honest process for protecting gun free zones from those who willingly break the law. To say that officers get shot, so maybe we shouldn't consider having armed guards makes no sense. The fact is that if we are going to have gun free zones, which shooters choose because there are no guns to interfere with their 15 minutes of fame, we need to have armed security present to prevent or slow down the criminals.

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philunderwood

Jan-03-13 8:54 AM

"I know nothing about guns, mental health, or the world in general, but something needs to be done... to make me sleep better at night."

We might change that to something needs to be done by government to make me sleep better at night; more magical thinking on display.

On the nightly news they told about local schools adding an armed police officer to their security system and his marked police car was parked right in front of the school. That just might act as a deterrent to someone wanting to shoot up the school.

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johnnyad3

Jan-03-13 9:00 AM

"we need to have armed security present to prevent or slow down the criminals."

You know it will come down to cost.

How much do we pay someone who will possibly put his/her life in danger to protect our children?

Are we going to drop a teacher position and replace that teacher with the guard?

Are people willing to pay more in taxes to have guards at every school?

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Josh84

Jan-03-13 9:12 AM

CHayes Jan-03-13 8:42 AM ******"Any armed guard the school would have had, would have been heavily outgunned, and almost certainly would have been shot dead before he could have unholstered his weapon."

Perhaps a history lesson on the battle of Thermopylae should be in your agenda for the day.

I know, I know... Life isnt a Dirty Harry movie.

Although you always assume a "nutjob" would have the better advantage than that of a trained and ready security force, be it one or more.

I would love to have even 1:1000 odds that one armed security guard could have ended this before it began. You?

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CMReeder

Jan-03-13 9:23 AM

Answer me this nobud could the mayhem of the shooting in Newtown be avoided if the mother had not been such a gun enthusiast and had those weapons in her home?

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enigma

Jan-03-13 11:05 AM

"I know very little about guns but we need to get in touch with the people in Washington to get gun laws in tact."

Translation, I don't know what I'm talking about, but you should take my advice anyway.

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enigma

Jan-03-13 11:20 AM

Chuck,"Guards and officers get shot. There is no proof that a armed guard could have stopped the mayhem."

So Chuck thinks that we should eliminate the police because they can't stop all crime, or is he pointing out that there is also no proof that an assault weapons ban would have stopped it either? Either way. all evidence points to the fact that these things always happen in "gun free zones", so we should outlaw them. The best part about this is that outlawing gun free zones doesn't violate the constitution.

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CMReeder

Jan-03-13 11:32 AM

Oh is that I think. I think you think you don't need the police. Arm every citizen then there will be no gun violence. That is what you think.

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enigma

Jan-03-13 1:11 PM

Chuck, I support the police, but I do not expect the impossible from them. I know that they cannot protect me. That's my job. I am the only one who is always with me. The police have a job to do and it's not to be my private security guard. That's my job. If you don't want to protect yourself, that's your choice, but you have no right to take that ability away from me. Criminals have and always will have guns, so law abiding citizens should be permitted to have them too.

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nobud74

Jan-03-13 1:26 PM

Charles, when someone is committed enough to destruction as these madmen are, you will not stop them. The mother had guns. They were taken unlawfully. He could just as easily bought them on the black market. It just would have required more planning. But when a nut is that intent they will find a way.

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CMReeder

Jan-03-13 1:39 PM

He would have done it anyways it makes no difference. Great argument you have.

Fools like me having guns. No it is the fools like you.

It is not their job to protect you. So we don't need police.

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enigma

Jan-03-13 1:57 PM

Chuck, Go take a nap. You're making no sense. I did not say that we don't need the police. The problem here is that you don't know what the police are supposed to do. It is not their job to prevent crime. It is their job to investigate crime and arrest criminals. They also provide security for some public events, but they cannot provide security to the public at large. If you want security for yourself and your family, you have to provide it for yourself. As I said, I support the police, but I don't need or want them to babysit me.

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enigma

Jan-03-13 2:09 PM

Chuck, Before you tell me I don't know anything about what the job of the police is, let me tell you something about myself. I spent five years as a Military Policeman,three of those in a supervisory capacity and I've taken college courses in Police Administration and Police Practices as well as Criminal Justice. I have a pretty good idea what the police are supposed to do and it's NOT protect you every minute of every day. You have to take some responsibility for your own safety. Do you have locks on your doors? Why, if the police are there to protect you? Don't you think they can do their job? I feel that we should be permitted to go beyond locks, so I believe that we have the right to own guns. The average police response time in the U.S. is seven minutes. The average home invasion lasts five, and the occupants are killed. How are you liking your chances without a gun?

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philunderwood

Jan-03-13 2:24 PM

Enigma, don’t look for logic where there is none, a wise man once told me.

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CHayes

Jan-03-13 2:59 PM

"Although you always assume a "nutjob" would have the better advantage than that of a trained and ready security force, be it one or more."

Yes a person with an AR-15 style weapon that is accurate up to 500 yards, and was trained by his mother to use it, has the advantage over a single security guard with a handgun that's accurate to a couple hundred feet. In every case. And remember, schools have multiple entrances/exits. The guard can only be at one. In the circumstance the nut case would have not just had an advantage, but an OVERWHELMING advantage.

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Josh84

Jan-03-13 3:54 PM

Chris, your paragraph has a boat load of generalizations, assumptions and opinions, but as usual, nothing more. You're not worth the effort of correcting... have a good day.

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enigma

Jan-03-13 4:03 PM

CHayes, You do not have to demonstrate your ignorance, we are already familiar with it. An AR-15 is not accurate to 500 yards and a handgun is not accurate to a couple hundred feet. Not that it matters because inside a school you won't be working with those kinds of distances anyway. In some ways a handgun would give a tactical advantage over a rifle of any kind in that situation. In any case, a trained security guard would have an advantage over a deranged nut-job. But you miss the point. Deranged nut-jobs shoot up schools not because they hate schools, but because they know there is not one there to stop them. Armed guards and administrators would change that and force them to either find a different target or better yet, just kill themselves without taking others with them.

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LaughIn

Jan-03-13 4:33 PM

Why do people chose the school arena to kill innocent victim's? That is the real question we are all trying to answer. That wise man had a good understanding Phil of why some questions go unanswered. It is not as if we can ask the assassin involved in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings, because he is dead.

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CHayes

Jan-03-13 8:51 PM

"You do not have to demonstrate your ignorance, we are already familiar with it. An AR-15 is not accurate to 500 yards and a handgun is not accurate to a couple hundred feet."

OK, you have to shoot a target 100 yards away. Chose you're weapon. Bushmaster AR-15 style rifle, or a 9mm handgun, both with only iron sights. Chose.

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CHayes

Jan-03-13 8:55 PM

"Deranged nut-jobs shoot up schools not because they hate schools, but because they know there is not one there to stop them."

So there are armed guards at shopping malls? McDonalds?

That's an idiotic statement. It presumes that multiple psychopaths have only one motivation. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that they chose a school because they were bullied there, by people who would otherwise grow up to be regional sales managers, and Republican party chairs.

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