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‘Absolutely not’

Many oppose power plant

January 4, 2013

Numerous people Thursday night expressed their opposition to Moxie Energy’s plans to build a power plant in Clinton Township....

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rick424

Jan-08-13 4:02 PM

Mike, in all honesty, I will have to agree. This is an area zoned industrial. If you live in an area like this you really don't have much say. However they should abide by zoning and the law and the regulations. I guess my issue is what about the people that live in residential areas and this industrial site (gas well) shows up? Their rights are being violated. I have just been reading of some horror stories in Texas and Colorado when the gas industry moved in. Mike I know we will never agree and I respect your opinion.

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mikekerstetter

Jan-08-13 3:36 PM

Nothing happened to people rights.

What about those of us here, most of us who live and work a lot closer than Wendy Lee, who want that plant to go in here to produce electricity and give jobs to our family, friends and neighbors? There is a lot more toxic stuff that comes from the Koppers plant next door who puts the creosote on railroad ties than will ever come from that Power Plant. Where is Wendy Lee on that one?

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rick424

Jan-08-13 2:39 PM

Sure!

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rick424

Jan-08-13 1:14 PM

I can always count on you bobbie, I will miss you when I leave.

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rick424

Jan-08-13 6:46 AM

The arguments sound childish. Just read them. If you believe in a cause so what in the way you further it. Those people don't want that plant. They have no choice in the matter. If someone comes along and supports them that is great. The politicians in this area sure don't. The gas industry has the blessing of the politicians and this publication to do what they want. What ever happen to peoples rights?

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mikekerstetter

Jan-08-13 3:37 AM

rick424-"Those here against Wendy are really showing their ignorance and narrow mindness. Just read what you wrote. Cheers:-)"

Rick, I've been 'against Wendy' (your words) ever since she USED the people from the mobile home park to further her anti-gas agenda. It was NEVER about the people, it was, and still is, about the agenda.

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rick424

Jan-07-13 10:45 PM

Those here against Wendy are really showing their ignorance and narrow mindness. Just read what you wrote. Cheers:-)

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wortho13

Jan-07-13 4:44 PM

Bazinga!!!!Game over!!You loose!!!Way to go Bobbie2

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WendyLynneLee

Jan-06-13 8:54 PM

No, gavinf56, Spencer DOES get his funding from exxon. That is a fact. Check it out for yourself. His opinion is compromised, End of story.

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wortho13

Jan-06-13 1:54 PM

Bazinga!!!!!!!!

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mikekerstetter

Jan-06-13 1:10 PM

WendyLynneLee-"twinder, I checked the specific site map AGAIN. You are WRONG. The site is specifically denoted as flood plain. Moxie acknowledges it as flood plain. DEP simply does not care that it is flood plain--but THIS issue is settled fact."

LOL, Yes, it is settled. Since I have also lived in this area since birth and witnessed the '72, '75 and all the other floods after, and because I believe the township firs chief knows where the flood zones are in his area, I also think this matter is settled. Sorry, but you lose Wendy.

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Spapper

Jan-06-13 12:23 PM

On the floodplain issue, there are 2 parts of the site close to the river that are in the floodplain. The one part is south of a steep drop where a dirt road runs. The other is north of that drop on the farm field. Moxie is NOT building in either area.

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gavinf56

Jan-06-13 11:22 AM

Ahh, so if he disagrees with your opinion, he automatically works for or gets funding from oil and gas interests.

Now I know where you are coming from.

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WendyLynneLee

Jan-06-13 9:51 AM

gavinf56: Roy Spencer's research is funded by "The George C. Marshall Institute (GMI) is a "non-profit" organization funded by the profits from oil and gas interests and right-wing funders... It has received substantial funding from Exxon's Exxon Education Foundation." So he is PAID to deny anthropogenic climate change. Game over for him.

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WendyLynneLee

Jan-06-13 9:47 AM

twinder, I checked the specific site map AGAIN. You are WRONG. The site is specifically denoted as flood plain. Moxie acknowledges it as flood plain. DEP simply does not care that it is flood plain--but THIS issue is settled fact.

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Zippie

Jan-06-13 9:21 AM

Are they going to fill in all those coal mines once PA no longer mines coal?

Just asking.

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twinder

Jan-05-13 11:22 PM

If you say it enough, some may believe it but, that doesn't make it factual. The proposed site for the Moxie Patriot site in Clinton Twp. is NOT in the flood plain. If it were, it could not be built and the zone property would NOT be zoned for heavy industry. I've lived here my entire life. It is NOT flood plain. But hey, keep saying it is. Those that know the truth, and sign permits, know better.

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gavinf56

Jan-05-13 10:33 PM

So why should I believe the opinion of Wendy Lynne Lee over that of Roy Spencer, Ph.D. on the cause and effects of global climate change?

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nobud74

Jan-05-13 8:33 PM

I know how we can cut down on the methane. We can all become vegans, that way we can get rid of all the livestock that produce so much methane. It's not a cure, but everyone needs some pain. I'm sure those involved in animal husbandry whether here or in other countries, including third world countries would gladly go along and then they could find work in another field. Every little bit helps.

Now, we also should make sure everyone not only doesn't add to landfills, but also that they don't compost because that also produces methane.

Dog gone it, it won't be long and we'll have a regular commune going! ;) I'm soooo excited!

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WendyLynneLee

Jan-05-13 8:07 PM

mikekerstetter, what a silly claim about theories and fact. Anthropogenic climate change is established fact. "Methane is 23 times more potent as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide (over a 100-year period). Over the last two centuries, methane concentrations in the atmosphere have more than doubled, largely due to human-related activities. Methane now accounts for 16% of global greenhouse gas emissions from human activities." U.S. EPA. Or is the EPA just another communist conspiracy?

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WendyLynneLee

Jan-05-13 8:03 PM

Quick note for twinder: in point of fact, MOXIE acknowledges that the site is flood plain. timesRachangin, thanks for your defense, but I don't need it. And these may be men, but they're hardly patriots. Patriots care about the future of their country. These gentlemen apparently care only for their profits.

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northerntier

Jan-05-13 7:52 PM

ToTEXASfromPA: Before commenting, I double-checked the basics of the incident at the NPR's StateImpact site you mentioned in a previous comment. That's the most complete publicly available info I'm aware of.

Agreed that it would be interesting to know more details, but expect that would take a PADEP RTK request (or a reliable "industry insider" source).

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WendyLynneLee

Jan-05-13 7:44 PM

Bobbie2; Why don't you call my university president, David Soltz, or my department chair, Scott Lowe and ask them how popular I am with my students. Or even better, why don't you come to my Philosophy of Ecology class: T/R, 2-3:15? No need to pay for the course, I am inviting you to come for FREE.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-05-13 5:31 PM

"What happened was that a new, unconventional well lateral intersected the old, conventional "Butters" well. The pressure of the fracked gas released through the Butters well bore." ---Northerntier

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What is your source of information? It seems like they would have 1. Lost circulation and returns when they intersected the Butter's wellbore during drilling or 2. Screened out during the frac job or seen frac fluid come back to surface.

Do you know the depth to the Marcellus and depth to the horizontals wells relative to the TD of the Butter's well? Do you know where cement tops were during cementing of casing? Did they do any subsequent cement squeezes on the SWEPI wells?

The web articles don't give a lot of information. Thanks for any information.

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gavinf56

Jan-05-13 1:14 PM

Penn State Main Campus burns coal (electricity and steam) and they are converting over to natural gas. That facility is at the corner of Burrows and E. College Ave right dead center of town, and not a peep from anyone.

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