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The emperor’s wrong approach

January 5, 2013

It looks like the emperor is going to use the school killings to promote gun control....

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DavidBross

Jan-06-13 7:22 PM

To piggyback on BuffTrev's comment about trickle down economics. As a retired teacher I received a newsletter a few months ago. It was published by retired teachers, not the state. And it supported generous teacher retirements because this allowed retired teachers to volunteer more in their communities. It reminded of trickle down economics of the Reagan era. Well trickle down was BS then, and it is BS in relation to supporting retired teachers.

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Bufftrev1

Jan-06-13 6:27 PM

Hi gavin, I never heard of tough mudder until today. It looks like a real challenge, although it's months away, I'd like to hear how it goes for you..

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Bufftrev1

Jan-06-13 6:17 PM

Hi phil, perhaps I should have articulated my point differently. As you know, I consider myself a liberal, likely like chayes and cm do, and I don't view your comment about liberals engaging in magical thinking as accurate. Liberals, more often than not, have the data to back up our policy positions. A recent example is the republican position that tax breaks for the wealthy 'trickle down' or somehow equate to overall economic growth, hence the term job creators. The data, as evidenced by the study completed by the CRS, found no truth to this long held republican belief.

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gavinf56

Jan-06-13 6:04 PM

Sorry to hear about your injury and thank you for your service.

During the early-mid 1980's, I had the privilege of being selected to serve in one of the AF's special operations fields. It was the physical training that was required during that time that put me on the path of lifelong fitness and nutrition. I passed that love onto my daughter and it was her idea to do the Tough Mudder, I just added it to the bucket list. Most of my teammates are males nearly half my age, so it should be interesting and I am looking forward to the challenge.

Aside from politics I am sure we can find many areas of agreement.

Enjoy your night. The Seahawks-Redskins game is turning into a good one.

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philunderwood

Jan-06-13 5:48 PM

Buff, It’s a general rule in psychology that emotion and reason are like a barometer, when one goes up, the other goes down.

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Class144

Jan-06-13 2:48 PM

Thanks Chris. I posted that "Perhaps" with a huge smile on my face thinking if he only knew and wondering if I should invite him to be on our Tough Mudder team scheduled for August in Pittsburgh.

Tough mudder? I did six months of tough mudders with one small exception. I was wearing jungle boots and drawing a paycheck. Then came a fast roping accident, a near amputation of my leg, and it was so solly sailor. But that was the early 80's. But, with all due respect, if you can complete the tough mudder course, you would have my respect, regardless of political differences.

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Bufftrev1

Jan-06-13 1:31 PM

Hi phil, the two are not mutually exclusive, a person can engage in both activities. I'm a Colts fan today..

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mikekerstetter

Jan-06-13 1:14 PM

Come on Gavin, get your fat arse off that couch and go experience some Asian culture. ROFL. I'm glad I didn't have a mouthful of coffee when I read that.

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gavinf56

Jan-06-13 11:57 AM

Thanks Chris. I posted that "Perhaps" with a huge smile on my face thinking if he only knew and wondering if I should invite him to be on our Tough Mudder team scheduled for August in Pittsburgh.

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CHayes

Jan-06-13 11:41 AM

" You should spend some time in Japan. Maybe take up Kendo and Buddhism. Get off the couch and lose your beer gut."

I'm pretty sure Gavin's been to Asia, he's not really an on the couch type person (though he used to make couches), and he doesn't have a beer gut, at least not a respectable one. Just saying.

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philunderwood

Jan-06-13 11:17 AM

We don’t expect people who engage in emotional magical thinking like Chuck, Chris or their compatriots to understand or give credence to statistical probability, that’s for critical thinkers.

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gavinf56

Jan-06-13 8:25 AM

"You should spend some time in Japan. Maybe take up Kendo and Buddhism. Get off the couch and lose your beer gut." - Class144

Perhaps.

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Class144

Jan-06-13 8:20 AM

“Yea, because culture has nothing to do with that statistic.”

You may have a point. Perhaps that’s why Americans love shooting one another, and other people. First the Native Americans when we stole their land. Then the Civil War. Later the blacks in the South, etc, etc. Culture. You should spend some time in Japan. Maybe take up Kendo and Buddhism. Get off the couch and lose your beer gut.

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CMReeder

Jan-06-13 8:12 AM

So it is just a domestic dispute settled with a gun. Is that all it was!

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CMReeder

Jan-06-13 8:10 AM

Phil posted that we should look at this rationally and not emotionally and then continues to state that the gun control people are the ones who over react.

Tell us Phil how the gun owners and their call for more guns and the end of gun free zones and the push for all to carry guns is not an emotional response? Tell us how rational it is for teachers being told they are not capable enough to collective bargaining but they are capable enought to take down a crazed killer that bursts into their classroom?

Tell us Phil how rational it is to terrorize the innocent in this country?

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gavinf56

Jan-06-13 8:03 AM

"-study the data from countries where there is gun control or guns are banned, you would learn that violent crime is nearly non-existent when compared to the US. For example, Japan is one of the safest places on earth." - Class144

Yea, because culture has nothing to do with that statistic.

Have another drink pal.

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CMReeder

Jan-06-13 8:02 AM

"I will bet the young female grad student in State College who had someone jump out of the bushes and slash her throat with a knife, which she survived, now lives in the same daily fear as if her attacker had used a gun and shot her in the head."

As you pointed out in an earlier post Gavin a bullet to the head would have resulted in death. There would be no living in fear for her.

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LaughIn

Jan-06-13 1:37 AM

"Knowledge is power" Class144. If this is true then why does history keep repeating itself?

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Class144

Jan-05-13 11:48 PM

“That's your comeback? Really?”

Yes, I was struggling with cognitive dissonance after your scintillating remark about the student who had been slashed (forgive my alliteration), however, remember that the noble title of "dissident" must be earned rather than claimed; it connotes sacrifice and risk rather than mere disagreement. I digress and assume that you lack the former. It’s inherent with those who struggle with reason and a free intelligence.

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Class144

Jan-05-13 11:40 PM

“You really believe that in that utopia you desire of no guns in this country, violence will completely disappear.“

Disappear? No, of course not, that would be a foolish assertion. However, if you would take the time to objectively—as you claimed—study the data from countries where there is gun control or guns are banned, you would learn that violent crime is nearly non-existent when compared to the US. For example, Japan is one of the safest places on earth. I recall walking through the alleys of Yokoska when I was in the service at 0200. There was no fear of any kind. I’d be hard pressed to do that in any of our large cities.

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Class144

Jan-05-13 11:36 PM

“Class, I don't know what you are smoking but it's powerful stuff. You really believe that in that utopia you desire of no guns in this country, violence will completely disappear. This is why the country is so divided right now because the extremes of both sides refuse to examine anything objectively. Stick to the party line and keep drinking that Kool Aid but I will choose to take steps to protect myself and my family.”

Had you read an earlier post, you would have seen where I support the second amendment. What I was pointing out the logical fallacies that are inherent in many of the posts, the idea that nutcases will somehow continue to perpetuate their crimes with the same results even if guns are not available or the stunningly misguided assertion that a student who survived a knife attack would somehow feel the same had she been shot in the head?

Regulation is coming and that’s a good thing. BTW, who is threatening your family?

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gavinf56

Jan-05-13 10:26 PM

"PS – too bad he wasn’t armed with a 2x4? Then you wouldn’t have to ‘defend’ your position, eh?" - Class144

That's your comeback? Really?...and here I was going to compliment you on your wit and cynicism. What a let down.

Perhaps one of those "Google" searches or a "Rachel Maddow You Tube" video will help next time.

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msgjsheets

Jan-05-13 10:02 PM

Class, I don't know what you are smoking but it's powerful stuff. You really believe that in that utopia you desire of no guns in this country, violence will completely disappear. This is why the country is so divided right now because the extremes of both sides refuse to examine anything objectively. Stick to the party line and keep drinking that Kool Aid but I will choose to take steps to protect myself and my family.

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LaughIn

Jan-05-13 9:17 PM

"I can tell you why the sky reflects its color, I can only 'guess' why that 20 year old did what he did. Bottom line, he made a really bad choice. No amount of gun control will stop people from making the wrong decisions. " (1:21pm D.E) "Somethings cannot be explained, no matter how much we all want to understand the why's. As long as man exists there will be death." (12:53pm D.E) "Do crimes of passion have anything to do with mental illness? How about a normal level headed person who goes out on a Saturday night, drinks to much and turns into the devil? One with a hair trigger personality (easily ticked off or can go from 0-60 in seconds)? This wasn't the case in Newtown Conn.,but it still is the reason for a lot of innocent deaths." (10:24am D.E) Choices people, we all make them.

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Class144

Jan-05-13 8:32 PM

“Yep, the guy was just walking down the apartment building hallway when he decided to knock on the door and off 3 people.”

PS – too bad he wasn’t armed with a 2x4? Then you wouldn’t have to ‘defend’ your position, eh?

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