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Disappointing editorial

January 5, 2013

Your editorial on the Newtown shootings was very, very disappointing....

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PennGas

Jan-05-13 10:24 PM

If some psycho is crazy enough to break into my home, he is also crazy enough to attack my family. I want as many rounds as I can have to fire until the threat is ended. The chance of dropping an attacker with one round is too low to count on. Remember, if he is attacking it is because he has already ignored the warnings and is intent of doing bad things. Maybe if the government would allow Home Grenades I might give up my AR semi-automatic rifle.

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USABorn

Jan-05-13 5:15 PM

righttobarearms - 9:47 AM Doctors (A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000. (B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000."

After my husband was killed by a Wmspt surgeon, I did a lot of research. The doctor went in with a camera to check abdominal area and punctured his bowel. Three days later he was dead. I found that in this procedure ALONE, over 200,000 deaths happen PER YEAR.

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CMReeder

Jan-05-13 3:15 PM

Intelligent debate, you failed enigma.

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enigma

Jan-05-13 3:03 PM

sideliner,"It just seems that certain gun owners want what they want when they want it and to h e l l with the consequences of their purely selfish desires. The fact that they won't even engage in intelligent debate speaks volumes... "

Replace gun owners with pro-abortion advocates. The big difference is that gun ownership is specifically protected by the U.S. Constitution, and if you study the federalist papers you will find that the intent of that is that the people have the means to forcefully resist the government. That is the reason that the government wants to take them away. Those who think that the government is trying to protect them are far too silly to be taken seriously.

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enigma

Jan-05-13 2:55 PM

John Young,"Do we really need these in circulation legally or illegally? I say No."

And you are wrong! Not to mention that the Constitution guarentees that right to us. Mr. Young obviously does not know anything about guns, or criminals or the mentally ill. If we told him that a nerf gun was the most deadly weapon available, he would insist on banning them. An "assault weapon" is just an ordinary gun dressed up to look like a military weapon. You can turn any hunting rifle into an assault rifle with a few (soon to be one) modifications. That's right the difference between a hunting rifle and an assault rife is cosmetic not functional. As far as large capacity magazines, why should I be more limited with mine than a criminal is with his?

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CMReeder

Jan-05-13 1:31 PM

The number of people you can kill with a assault gun or rifle is not small in a narrow length of time. That is what the diffference is.

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LaughIn

Jan-05-13 1:21 PM

I can tell you why the sky reflects its color, I can only 'guess' why that 20 year old did what he did. Bottom line, he made a really bad choice. No amount of gun control will stop people from making the wrong decisions.

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LaughIn

Jan-05-13 12:53 PM

Mikekerstetter could use his Ginsu to eliminate the 3 blind mice? Lighten up, why are you so h#!! bent on answering for the dead? Somethings cannot be explained, no matter how much we all want to understand the why's. As long as man exists there will be death.

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mikekerstetter

Jan-05-13 11:45 AM

CMReeder-"Really Mike the way your side talks we are coming for all your guns. We want to bam all your guns not just assault guns or rifles."

Chuck, I've never said that and you know it. But even to those who've believed it you've answered that it's 'only assault rifles' that you want to ban. So now that the truth is out that there are so many more things used to commit murder and 'assault' rifles are only a relatively small number, you want to cry foul.

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CMReeder

Jan-05-13 11:36 AM

Really Mike the way your side talks we are coming for all your guns. We want to bam all your guns not just assault guns or rifles.

So using an asssault rifle did not result in that many deaths in 2011, hammers did but you conveniently left out the deaths caused by guns period. You can go through every make and model of guns and rifles and state 'see this model was not used to kill that many people'. They are really not that bad. Hammers are.

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CMReeder

Jan-05-13 11:31 AM

Sorry it is not gun deaths it is death by using guns.

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CMReeder

Jan-05-13 11:30 AM

Thanks for clearing that up 'right' so all gun deaths are just accidents.

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mikekerstetter

Jan-05-13 11:30 AM

CMReeder-"What is the amount of violent crimes committed with firearms? All you did was narrow firearms to rifles which could mean hunting rifle which gets the NRA all upset they can't hunt with pistols."

Chuck, you and your ilk aren't talking about banning all guns. Only 'assault' rifles. Now you think it's unfair to exclude all the other firearms in murder statistics because it shows the lunacy in banning 'assault rifles'. Handguns are by far the most used weapon weapon to commit murder, followed by knives, personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc), hammers, shotguns and then you finally get to rifles. But the gun control crowd only wants us to focus on "assault" rifles which are a part of the rifle category. Those are the statistics, Chuck. I'm sorry they don't suit your agenda.

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LaughIn

Jan-05-13 10:24 AM

@righttobarearms, much better example!

@cavefelem, do crimes of passion have anything to do with mental illness? How about a normal level headed person who goes out on a Saturday night, drinks to much, and turns into the devil? One with a hair trigger personality (easily ticked off or can go from 0-60 in seconds)? This wasn't the case in Newtown Conn. but it still is the reason for a lot of innocent deaths.

To J.Young, the editors are edited by the owner, they only have control over the 'child' writers and LTE. I wonder how many bare teeth show over that?

The media plays its fiddle too

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righttobarearms

Jan-05-13 9:47 AM

Doctors (A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000. (B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000. (C) Accidental deaths per physician Is 0.171

Statistics courtesy of U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

Now think about this:

Guns (A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million) (B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500. (C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188

Statistics courtesy of FBI

So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.'

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Tedeaux

Jan-05-13 9:36 AM

I've used a rifle once and a handgun twice to protect human life. Never had to pull the trigger and the criminals left pretty quick once they realized they were looking down the barrel of a gun.

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sideliner

Jan-05-13 9:33 AM

Mike, you miss the point. Prior to the incident, Lanza was not a criminal and could not have been prevented from legally obtaining the same weapons he used in the massacre as was done in the CO killing spree.

The point of regulation only putting guns in the hands of criminals makes no sense in this context. Your argument holds no water here in terms of prevention of another similar incident.

Rapid fire assault weapons used strictly for defense? Gimme a break. It just seems that certain gun owners want what they want when they want it and to h e l l with the consequences of their purely selfish desires. The fact that they won't even engage in intelligent debate speaks volumes...

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idiottwo

Jan-05-13 8:47 AM

if that editotial was a problem for you, the Gov lack of action and accountability with Fast and Furious killing hundreds of Mexicans and a US boarder patrol agent must really be an issue, but haven't noticed your letter on it. Keep in mind, they knowingly armed gansters and drug dealers and as a result hundreds have died. The media hardly blinked at that.

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CMReeder

Jan-05-13 8:43 AM

Mike posts;

2011 Murders:

Hammers- 496 rifles- 323

LETS BAN RIFLES!!!!!

Anyone else see the lunacy in the gun control argument?

What is the amount of violent crimes committed with firearms? All you did was narrow firearms to rifles which could mean hunting rifle which gets the NRA all upset they can't hunt with pistols. You want your military grade firearms with high capacity firing power because as we all know that rabbit is a real rascal.

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CMReeder

Jan-05-13 8:39 AM

I wanted to know the same thing 'Cave' and was told that it would make no difference he would have gotten guns one way or another. Watch it you will be called a leftie any minute.

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CaveFelem

Jan-05-13 8:23 AM

continued - crime.

Hindsight is 20/20, but in my opinion since Mrs. Lanza knew her son was having problems (she was trying to commit him), I am at a loss as to why she didn't take her firearms off site and store them instead of in the house where he was staying.

I hope we can reevaluate the way we approach mental health in our nation. That's really what this is about.

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CaveFelem

Jan-05-13 8:16 AM

@spike2 - there was one incident about 10 years ago. I was home alone, and awoke to my dog growling and what sounded like someone downstairs in my living room. I was terrified, but grabbed my .357 and went down the steps. Before I stepped out into the living room, I shouted out that I was armed, and whoever it was should leave the way they came in. The noises continued.

Thankfully, it was a bear on the porch outside the living room knocking around the bird feed containers. I couldn't tell that with the dog growling, in the middle of the night, etc.

I was scared! And so thankful it was just a bear. But I made up my mind a long time ago I won't be a victim of some stupid criminal.

And as far as police being available if you call them? Well, if you live in a rural area, and your township police are off duty, you have to wait for the state police. That can take some time.

And one last thing - taking away my handgun, shotgun, and hunting rifle will do nothing to curb gun

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spike2

Jan-05-13 7:48 AM

Who, posting here, has ever used their gun, rifle, AK or water pistol to defend themselves?

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Kelaine

Jan-05-13 7:47 AM

Mike,

See my response on the LTE "The Emperor's Wrong Approach". You have skewed and missing data.

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mikekerstetter

Jan-05-13 7:43 AM

Kelaine, why is it? Those numbers are from the FBI.

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