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Regurgitation

January 6, 2013

The Dec. 22 editorial “Post-Newtown reaction should involve more than guns” sounds like a regurgitation of the NRA response to the Newtown massacre: More guns will solve gun violence....

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BubbaZanetti

Jan-14-13 10:00 PM

"High volume clips are designed to save time reloading. What "sport" requires such deadly time saving measures" I consider it deadly to have to reload more often. Ask any cop. Oh that's right, you believe only cops need to defend themselves.

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Ritty77

Jan-07-13 10:05 PM

Woohoo! Yay Guns!

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JerryfromRI

Jan-07-13 6:23 PM

January 19 is Gun Appreciation Day!

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wwhickok

Jan-07-13 12:08 PM

except all these Letters to the Editor really flared up after the Newtown, CT incident, so while you say Gun-Control and Crime are two separate issues, what people are truly concerned with is gun crime. As for people 'thinking about the consequences' the most threatening of criminals couldn't care less about the consequences.

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CarlHiller

Jan-07-13 9:26 AM

wwhickok - This is where I will agree to disagree due to a lack of understanding where the rights we enjoy come from and the mixing of gun-control with crime. Crime and gun-control are 2 separate issues. Not all crime is committed with a weapon. That is why I said Gun-control is a moot point, the 2 are not related. The criminal element could be controlled if it was wanted. Crime can only be controlled 2 ways, morality or punishment. One can only be deterred from committing a crime if one thought about the consequences of the crime before committing it, although you will always have crime because some individuals have no empathy towards others.

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wwhickok

Jan-07-13 8:55 AM

"The whole issue of gun-control and many other issues, would be a moot point if people would learn" I do not believe that Gun-Control or other issues that relate to crime and violence are ever a moot point, regardless of whether legislative action is taken or not. But my point of illustrating the difference in constitutions and what countries have gun allowance or not is that this country has always had the allowance of guns, so there has never been a way to control the criminal element as there has been in other countries. This was a major oversight of the founding fathers despite my support of the Right to Bear Arms.

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CarlHiller

Jan-07-13 8:41 AM

There is a huge difference in using other nations as an example in that the US is the only nation on earth with a Declaration of Independence that states our rights come from nature and/or your god, not from government. Owning and bearing arms is a natural right of the individual. The Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Northwest Ordinance, and the Constitution and Bill of Rights are the "organic laws of the US". For those who do not know "organic law is a law or system of laws forming the foundation of a government". There can be no law written and approved that does not adhere to the principles listed in these docs, it is only when we do not know or by being complicit, allow any law that is unconstitutional. Not one of these foundational docs has ever been overturned, they are all part of the foundation that all laws of the US must adhere. The whole issue of gun-control and many other issues, would be a moot point if people would learn

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wwhickok

Jan-07-13 8:26 AM

Some significant countries without -

Finland, Canada, China, Czech Republic,Israel, Japan, Spain, UK, Switzerland.

Basically, nearly every country other than the 4 I mentioned, has laws against Gun ownership, though some of those that i listed 'without a 2nd amendment' have sporting and 'reasonable reason' laws, that allow for ownership, some of them strictly prohibit owership. My point is that there are not many countries in the world that have freely allowed citizens to purchase and own guns legally and at will.

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wwhickok

Jan-07-13 8:19 AM

The biggest problem in comparing the U.S. to other countries is our governments and constitutions are so different. Countries with a "right to bear arms in their constitution - U.S., Mexico, Haiti, and Guatemala.

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DavidBross

Jan-07-13 7:55 AM

didn't cause that use. The water use goes up because people are getting ready for work, school etc. But, there is a direct cause and effect relationship between sunrise and how bright it is outside.

Another big pitfall to avoid is comparing apples to oranges. One small example of that in this post is that the data for the US is from 2010 and for England, it is from 2011. Probably doesn't make a big difference. But still, before conclusions are drawn and policy made, all the info should be from the same year.

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DavidBross

Jan-07-13 7:54 AM

Using the numbers 58,789,194 and 314,686,189 as the populations of England and the US respectively, I found that the US population is 5.3 times larger than that of England. So I multiplied the number of murders in England in 2011 (638) by 5.3 and got 3381. That means that there were about 74% fewer murders in England in 2011 than in the US in 2010 (12,996). Also, 68% of murders in the US in 2010 were committed with guns while 9% of murders in England in 2011 where committed with guns. England, at least in terms of murder, is much safer than the US.

It is tempting to draw conclusions from this info. And conclusions can often seem obvious. I know I would like to conclude that gun control makes England safer. And that may be the case. But, there is a big difference between a cause and effect relationship and correlation. For example, there is a strong correlation between the sunrise and the amount of water used in the typical household as the sun comes up. But, the sun did

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wwhickok

Jan-07-13 7:12 AM

Furthermore in reference to the Israel comments in the letter, does Israel have a Constitution such as ours? Have they had an established gun right for centuries? Because we have so we have had citizens with guns for a very long time. So their idea of gun control works because it has virtually always been in place. Gun Control here won’t work the way it does in Israel because in order for it to do so, too many people already have guns. Too many criminals already have guns or access to them. The letter is well intended by sorely misguided. Regardless if there are more regulations on guns, until America unites and agrees that mental health is a bigger issue, there is not going to be any real progress made. Stop making excuses, stop shifting the blame, start attacking the problem and not the innocent citizens of America. Not everyone should be considered a suspect.

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wwhickok

Jan-07-13 7:12 AM

-continued-

sure children know the difference between fiction and non-fiction. Secondly, if you think, as a parent, that violent video games are bad, don’t buy them Call of Duty Black Ops II, or any other violent game. There are PLENTY of sports games out there.

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wwhickok

Jan-07-13 7:11 AM

“Until we change those polices and the attitudes driving them, we will see more of the same. Guaranteed.” -Stephanie Ohargan First of all, you can guarantee nothing. That guarantee you just made is nothing more than an empty promise. Always refreshing to read an intelligent letter from a voice of reason. Always remember that there can be no progress without head-on confrontation. - Class144 Second of all, I’m sure that’s the theory over in Israel and other such places where they’ve been fighting Holy Wars and civil wars for as long as we can remember right? Doesn’t seem like much progress is actually being made. “It's simple; criminals do not obey gun laws, so gun laws just make the law abiding easier targets.” – Enigma I don’t care what anyone says, that’s 100% true. “There is nothing peaceful about an organization that promotes and sells video games with violence in them.” --CM Reeder Stop blaming gun violence on video games. It’s a parent’s job first of all to make

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USABorn

Jan-07-13 5:34 AM

Just read where the most popular murder weapon in England is a KNIFE! Shouldn't they be banned????

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CarlHiller

Jan-07-13 5:28 AM

Hey Shammy-Wow, "Gee...the FBI, AND government, document (specifically) that mass-murders happen in "gun free zones"????? That sounds awfully self-defeating.

I'm guessing most o' your stats are a direct-result o' what "they say"; that "magical trove" for which (only) paranoids have the "keys"."

No those are stats that anyone with even a small brain like yours could find if they desired to know truth instead of BS! f bi. g ov if inclined to do so. I would link the page but it wouldn't do any good for someone who has an agenda that is simply to misinform. What a waste you are John!

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USABorn

Jan-07-13 5:28 AM

Out of over 2300 homicides, 6.6% of the homicides were by firearm.

So what did the murderers use for the other 93.4% of the deaths?

The pop of the U.S. is more than 5 times that of England. So multiply the figures on murders by 5.4.

If only 6.6% deaths are by firearms, looks like they might need to reconsider their gun laws!!!!! Apparently. the people in England have no self-protection.

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USABorn

Jan-07-13 5:15 AM

Class144 - 8:29 AM “England, which has some of the strictest gun laws and has a higher rate of gun crime that the U.S. and a much higher murder rate.”

"Perhaps you should reexamine your assertions with factually correct data that is readily available. Number of Murders, United States, 2010: 12,996. Number of Murders by Firearms, US, 2010: 8,775 Number of Murders, Britain, 2011*: 638 Number of Murders by firearms, Britain, 2011*: 58"

The population of England is 58,789,194....

The population of the U.S. is 314,686,189....

In 2011 England had 3,400,000 civilian firearms or 6.2 for every 100 people. THERE WERE 41 HOMICIDES BY FIREARM PER 100,000 population.

cont'd

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MrShaman

Jan-06-13 2:46 PM

"If you take the time to look instead of being brain-tied by the government mouthpieces, the MSM, using the FBI's and the governments own figures..." - CarlHiller

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Gee...the FBI, AND government, document (specifically) that mass-murders happen in "gun free zones"????? That sounds awfully self-defeating.

I'm guessing most o' your stats are a direct-result o' what "they say"; that "magical trove" for which (only) paranoids have the "keys".

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MrShaman

Jan-06-13 2:28 PM

"Chuck,"All the NRA is doing is terrorizing the innocent. All gun manufacturers do is terrorize the innocent."

Really Chuck? I guess I've missed all of the stories about the NRA and gun manufacturers terrorizing people. The NRA is a peaceful organization which supports the 2nd Amendment..." - enigma

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Yeah...it's a regular "Mom & Pop" entity.

See:

What The NRA's Wayne Lapierre Gets Paid To Defend Guns

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Tedeaux

Jan-06-13 2:08 PM

I got the information from the congressman's website.

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MrShaman

Jan-06-13 2:08 PM

"Mr Reeder you are sorely misguided individual! Every totalitarian government has first disarmed the people, then the mass murders by the regime began. How about a little history lesson for what happens after governments have disarmed their citizens:..." - CarlHiller

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Yeah...things are so-much-more "different", when "Divine Rights" is the justification, used.

See:

U.S. Interventions in Latin America

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MrShaman

Jan-06-13 2:02 PM

"Totalitarian governments do not take guns away they terrorize the innocent by arming people loyal to them." - CMReeder

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No doubt. How can we forget the Contras?

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MrShaman

Jan-06-13 1:59 PM

"Oh, and it does look like there maybe some truth to this administration wanting to consolidate their hold on power in America. I read yesterday where a US Representative from New York is about to introduce a bill in Congress that would do away with term limits for the President." - Tedeaux

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Ya' gotta quit reading the NY Post (the National Enquirer's "little sister").

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MrShaman

Jan-06-13 1:51 PM

"The goal of totalitarian regimes worldwide is to disarm their citizens." - CaveFelem

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Please.

The "goal" of totalitarian regimes is money, power & influence...just like any other forms o' government. Their methods might differ (like the Central American dictators we supported, during the '80s), but the goal is always the same.

Save your drama for the (other) paranoids.

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