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Regurgitation

January 6, 2013

The Dec. 22 editorial “Post-Newtown reaction should involve more than guns” sounds like a regurgitation of the NRA response to the Newtown massacre: More guns will solve gun violence....

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Class144

Jan-06-13 12:34 AM

Always refreshing to read an intelligent letter from a voice of reason. Always remember that there can be no progress without head-on confrontation.

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Ritty77

Jan-06-13 7:18 AM

What is the first thing an unarmed citizen does when becoming the victim of a crime, if and when they have the chance? He or she calls 911 for help. That help carries a gun. He or she is calling for a weapon to show up and end the crime. Therefore, one better option is to have that gun already on the scene.

Anti-gun advocates ignore this logic, blame the weapon, and offer emotional "solutions" that only disarm the law-abiding.

I don't agree with any law forcing a school to hire a guard, but LaPierre is right when he says that only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun, and schools should consider arming a good guy or two.

The shooter is responsible. No solutions will be found by misplacing the blame.

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Tedeaux

Jan-06-13 7:33 AM

Hey Stephanie, instead of changing the attitude of the millions of law abiding assault rifle owners of this country, why don't you aim to change the attitude of the handfull of mentally disturbed people that dream of doing Americans grave harm in any fashion that they think of. Until that problem is solved, I'll be keeping mine. As far as the "head on confrontation" statement goes, be careful for what you wish for, Class. A very large percentage of the law abiding gun owners believe that taking of America's gun right is the next step in this administrations plan of consolidating their hold on power in America and they are willing to die to protect that constitutional right. Just remember, these are the guys with the weapons!

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CaveFelem

Jan-06-13 7:38 AM

The goal of totalitarian regimes worldwide is to disarm their citizens.

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Tedeaux

Jan-06-13 7:44 AM

Oh, and it does look like there maybe some truth to this administration wanting to consolidate their hold on power in America. I read yesterday where a US Representative from New York is about to introduce a bill in Congress that would do away with term limits for the President. Why would the people EVER agree to this change in our Constitution, much less at a point where we have a leader in office that divides America along party lines so well! What next, do away with free elections are just the Republicans right to vote?

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CMReeder

Jan-06-13 7:44 AM

All the NRA is doing is terrorizing the innocent. All gun manufacturers do is terrorize the innocent. Totaltarian governments do not take guns away they terrorize the innocent by arming people loyal to them.

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CarlHiller

Jan-06-13 7:58 AM

Mr Reeder you are sorely misguided individual! Every totalitarian government has first disarmed the people, then the mass murders by the regime began. How about a little history lesson for what happens after governments have disarmed their citizens:

1911 – Turkey disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1915 – 1917 they murdered 1.5 million Armenians.

1929 – Russia disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1929 – 1953 they murdered 20 million Russians.

1935 – China disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1948 – 1952 they murdered 20 million Chinese.

1938 – Germany disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1939 – 1945 they murdered 16 million Jews.

1956 – Cambodia disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1975 – 1977 they murdered 1 million Educated people.

1964 – Guatemala disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1964 – 1981 they murdered 100,000 Mayan Indians.

1970 – Uganda disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1971 – 1979 they murdered 300,000 Christians.

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enigma

Jan-06-13 8:01 AM

Stephanie,"The recent mass shootings in both Newtown and Colorado were done with legally-owned assault weapons by non-criminals"

Wrong on both counts. In the last two well publicised mass shootings, the guns were stolen. The fact that they stole these weapons makes the shooters criminals (and I believe shooting numbers of people is a crime as well). They may not have had criminal records, but they were criminals. Her "facts" about gun ownershiop in Israel and gun violence in other countries are also wrong. England, which has some of the strictest gun laws and has a higher rate of gun crime that the U.S. and a much higher murder rate. It's simple; criminals do not obey gun laws, so gun laws just make the law abiding easier targets.

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Class144

Jan-06-13 8:11 AM

“I read yesterday where a US Representative from New York is about to introduce a bill in Congress that would do away with term limits for the President. “ So where did you read this? Comic books? Michelle Malkin? Do you ever employ reason when you read something, or do you simply allow it to inflame your egocentric viewpoints?

In any case, why don’t you stop by Snopes and read into this more. Knowledge is power, eh?

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enigma

Jan-06-13 8:13 AM

Chuck,"All the NRA is doing is terrorizing the innocent. All gun manufacturers do is terrorize the innocent."

Really Chuck? I guess I've missed all of the stories about the NRA and gun manufacturers terrorizing people. The NRA is a peaceful organization which supports the 2nd Amendment which you happen to disagree with. Is that all it takes to be a terrorist now? Gun manufactureres are businesses that produce a product that you don't like. Does that qualify someone as a terrorist now? Be careful Chuck, there are people who don't like your ideas or your product. By your own standards, you could be labeled a terrorist. By throwing that term around like that you dilute it's impact. Save it for real terrorists. I am well aware that people who don't know anything about guns are afraid of them. It's not the guns. The people who commit these crimes would be scary with or without a gun.

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CarlHiller

Jan-06-13 8:13 AM

The point is that disarmed citizens are vulnerable to street criminals and criminals in government. There are numerous historical examples of citizens being first disarmed, then being oppressed and then systematically killed by their own government. The facts are that no amount of gun control reduces crime, it increases it. It is when government at any level restricts the right to own weapons that the lawless wild west starts to take shape. Look to the US for the examples nearly every mass murder has taken effect in gun free zones. If you take the time to look instead of being brain-tied by the government mouthpieces, the MSM, using the FBI's and the governments own figures the vast majority of murders and violent crimes involving guns happens in areas of strict gun regulations.

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Class144

Jan-06-13 8:15 AM

“A very large percentage of the law abiding gun owners believe that taking of America's gun right is the next step in this administrations plan of consolidating their hold on power in America and they are willing to die to protect that constitutional right. Just remember, these are the guys with the weapons!.”

Are these the same people who were around when Reagan was shot and the Brady Bill was passed? Do you recall how there was little uproar about its passage? What about gun owners who support more regulations? Maybe you should take the tin foil off your head and breathe deeply.

Obama never mentioned gun control until Newton. Never. And now you act is if there is a conspiracy to take your guns before any legislation about clips has even passed.

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Class144

Jan-06-13 8:29 AM

“England, which has some of the strictest gun laws and has a higher rate of gun crime that the U.S. and a much higher murder rate.”

Perhaps you should reexamine your assertions with factually correct data that is readily available. Number of Murders, United States, 2010: 12,996. Number of Murders by Firearms, US, 2010: 8,775 Number of Murders, Britain, 2011*: 638 Number of Murders by firearms, Britain, 2011*: 58

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CMReeder

Jan-06-13 8:53 AM

I also said Carl they arm those loyal to them. They do not disarm all citizens.

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CMReeder

Jan-06-13 8:58 AM

There is nothing peaceful about an organization that makes threats, take my guns it will have to be from my cold dead hands. Therre is nothing peaceful about an organization that promotes and sells video games with violence in them. There is nothing peaceful about an organization that promotes and recommends guns. There is nothing peaceful about an organization that promotes guns over peace.

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msgjsheets

Jan-06-13 9:08 AM

Are we going to take away all of the knives, axes, baseball bats, automobiles, fertilizer, fists, rope, and anything else that can be used to kill people as well? The weapon is not the issue. The person who commits the act is the issue. You say this is not an assault on anybody's right to own a gun, only "reasonable" controls as to what those guns can be. Take away every semi-automatic weapon in the country. When mass murder occurs again, you will want the revolvers and the shotguns. Don't try to BS us with this we only want to limit the clip size. Do you realize how fast you can change out a magazine? Get real and actually think about the problem for a change and stop trying to use it to push for your liberal agenda. Chicago and Washington DC had the strictest regulations in the country and have the highest rates of crimes with guns. Disarming those who's only intent is to defend only strengthens the ones who desire to do harm.

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msgjsheets

Jan-06-13 9:10 AM

Chuck, as for your assertion about organizations making threats then I'm sure you'll condemn the union thugs making threats in Michigan over right to work legislation because we all know how consistant you are with your opinions.

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Tedeaux

Jan-06-13 10:17 AM

Representative Jose Serrano is the congressman that has proposed changing the constitution to remove term limits on the President. Google Jose Serrano and go to his congressional website. You can read all about it their. I think you own somebody an apology there, Class!

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CMReeder

Jan-06-13 10:30 AM

Yes Sheets we know how open minded you sre by ignoring the threats made against the unions in Michigan. You are consistent in your ignorance.

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CMReeder

Jan-06-13 10:46 AM

Interesting hypothesis about the correlation between lead emission levels and violent crime levels. A study of how lead impacts on societal behavior.

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Class144

Jan-06-13 11:20 AM

Google Jose Serrano.

Why don't you Google Snopes and Jose Serrano for the truth, or lack of.

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Class144

Jan-06-13 11:27 AM

Come to think about it, since the Constitution implicitly states the right to bear arms, maybe we should ban all guns and allow the owners to keep their arms. I'd hate to see the medical costs incurred by taking so many arms from all the John Waynes of the world.

Thoughts?

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Darlin

Jan-06-13 11:45 AM

Thank you Carl for your excellent posts and for setting straight the most ignorant writers, i.e. Reeder and friends, (lefties). They are low informed and totally misguided.

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Bufftrev1

Jan-06-13 12:00 PM

Thank you, class, for your excellent posts and for setting the record straight for the most ignorant writers. They are generally imformed exclusively by fox due to the bizarre notion that all other news outlets are inherently biased and are, therefore, typically misguided.

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MrShaman

Jan-06-13 1:32 PM

"It is no coincidence the U.S. gun culture is reflected in gun violence numbers here. Is it any wonder the U.S. ranks so high in number of gun-related homicides per capita when compared to other developed nations?" - Stephanie Ohargan

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I'm guessing those other developed-nations never had the "benefit" o' ReRon Reagan proclaiming "MAKE MY DAY!"...to thunderous-applause.

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