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Don’t punish everyone

January 9, 2013

I feel for everyone involved in the Newtown, CT and other recent shootings that were carried out by people who knew no other way to cope with day to day issues....

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wwhickok

Jan-29-13 12:33 PM

I thought I should add to this, that if the author of this letter is who I believe is, I've known them for quite some time. He's a good guy with a good moral compass. Supports great causes and is one of those people, who when I talk about guns, I commonly refer as the 'innocent/responsible gun owners'

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CMReeder

Jan-10-13 11:58 AM

Bobbie still can't stand upright!

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CMReeder

Jan-10-13 9:54 AM

A Utah town passed an ordinance mandating that every home and every classroom has a gun. So the 2A means that you are to be armed.

The NRA has filed a lawsuit to stop the 'Buy Back' program to held in Tuscon, AZ. They don't want the guns turned in destroyed but resold by the police. Can you imagine the brouhaha over a gun resold by the police used in a violent crime.

A 'Buy Back' program in CA yield 2 rocket launchers. I know they were not functional but in the right hands they could be made functional.

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CHayes

Jan-10-13 9:41 AM

I was wondering what's more effective against a tank? An AK47, or a .22 revolver? That's right, NEITHER of them.

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CHayes

Jan-10-13 9:40 AM

"Chicago has some of the strictest firearm laws in the country and yet, one of the highest murder rates. Same can be said for D.C."

No kidding? They kill people with hammers there a lot? No? They use guns? You mean a patchwork of state and local laws, some strict, and some quite lax, in a country where people have absolute freedom of movement, just might allow someone to drive a couple hours to the next state over, and buy a trunkload of weapons, then simply drive them back home, isn't really effective? I think that's why we have FEDERAL laws. Now one needs to be passed to ban the manufacture, importation, and sale of these type weapons IMMEDIATELY. Next a law needs to be passed taxing the military assault weapons that people already have, at a rate I would set at $500/year per restricted weapon.

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CHayes

Jan-10-13 9:33 AM

"Technically everyone should be able to go out and buy a fully automatic weapon, just as our military carries."

Even terrorists and mass killers that live here in the US? That's BRILLIANT. Everyone in Afghanistan has automatic weapons. Same deal in Iraq. Look what at how it's bolstered there security, and domestic tranquility.

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CMReeder

Jan-10-13 9:10 AM

"We’re still waiting for any kind of factual data that indicates owning a firearm contributes to criminal behavior. Feel good emotional statements aren’t substitutes for factual data unless you engage in magical instead of critical thinking."

Let's see Phil first off criminals steal guns. The very one you all purchase to protect yourselves from the criminal element. Most people purchase a gun due to a emotional response called fear. A neighbor was robbed, a woman down the street was raped in her home, drug dealers shot each other. You are just as likely to be killed with your own gun as not. Gun owners become concerned with gun accidents that they keep guns out of reach especially with young children running around.

Your failure Phil to recognize that gun purchases are based on fear and that fear is an emotion shows how irrational and factless you are.

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thecaringkind

Jan-10-13 8:33 AM

In the interests of promoting the general welfare of the people, the government has often had to implement laws to protect the general populace from potentially harmful practices and unsafe working conditions as an example. Our freedoms and rights are relative. They always have been. If our 'right' negatively affects those around us, or harms them in any way then we do not have the 'right' to practice those activities that may harm others. Owning a gun is not a 'right' it is a privilege afforded via an amendment that was put in place to support a 'well regulated militia' during a time of war. Tighter controls, rules, regulations, laws on gun ownership can have a positive safety effect on the general populace as has been proven in study after study. Less guns. Less death. If people feel like their freedoms are being taken away because they only have 20 hand guns and 10 rifles and NO semi automatic assault rifles then the gun problem in this country truly runs deep.

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Josh84

Jan-10-13 7:48 AM

JerryfromRI Jan-10-13 6:18 AM****"The other protections of the Bill of Rights have limitations also. For example, you can't tell fire in a crowded theater"

But no one is suggesting to cut out tongues so that someday some whack job cant do this.

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JerryfromRI

Jan-10-13 6:18 AM

@enigma

The other protections of the Bill of Rights have limitations also. For example, you can't tell fire in a crowded theater, need a permit to assemble etc...

The Second Amendment is no different.

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Loyal27

Jan-10-13 2:16 AM

... which is becoming the case.

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Loyal27

Jan-10-13 2:15 AM

CHayes, "At the time the Second Amendment was written, the weapon of choice was a musket. Have at it. You can have all the muskets you want. Thousands of them if you want."

This is true, but don't forget the force these patriots were fighting also carried muskets. Technically everyone should be able to go out and buy a fully automatic weapon, just as our military carries. The fact of the matter is these are horrible crimes committed by individuals with serious issues. Most of them exhibited warning signs, most chose to ignore. Another fact is that there were more homicides committed using hammers than so called "assualt" rifles (FBI statistic). Chicago has some of the strictest firearm laws in the country and yet, one of the highest murder rates. Same can be said for D.C. The 2nd Amendment is a tool put in place for the citizens of the United States to protect themselves (and the country) from a government who goes well beyond its reach... which is becomi

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CaymanJim

Jan-09-13 11:49 PM

dbratz: First, Gabrielle Giffords resigned as U.S. Representative from Arizona a year ago. Second: She is not the first, nor will she be the last with physical limitations to serve in Washington. Several of our presidents served while coping with health or physical problems. It's very unfortunate this young woman suffered this grievous assault leaving her with obvious deficits. But, with a terrific support team of therapists, her family and friends, she has made great strides towards acomeback. At least she can explain her problems. You, sir/madam, have no such excuse for your cruel, sick thinking. One can only imagine how quickly your opinions would change if, while walking in some areas of today's Williamsport, you suddenly fell victim to the same cruel violence as she.

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CHayes

Jan-09-13 11:46 PM

"I already conceded that there are going to be restrictions"

Fine then Ritty, if I can't have hand grenades, you can't have an AK47. Done deal.

You mean this whole discussion isn't about banning and seizing all guns in the US, and really only about adults deciding where the line should be drawn to strike a balance between public safety, and the ability of people to have sporting weapons? Somebody better tell Alex Jones, and several of the members of our little online community.

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CHayes

Jan-09-13 11:41 PM

"JerryfromRI, Which other or your Constitutional rights are you willing to give up"

I don't recall reading anywhere in the Constitution that you have a right to an AK47. At the time the Second Amendment was written, the weapon of choice was a musket. Have at it. You can have all the muskets you want. Thousands of them if you want.

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CHayes

Jan-09-13 11:38 PM

I just read a story a couple weeks ago about a 2 year old child in TN, that was killed when he accidentally shot himself in the stomach with a handgun. Do you think someone stupid enough to let a 2 year old play with a loaded handgun unsupervised, can secure an AR15 style weapon, or an AK properly to keep it from falling into the wrong hands? Really?

Stop whining to the adults. If you want to blame someone for your trouble, blame the wrong doers. Blame the idiots, not the grown ups.

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CHayes

Jan-09-13 11:36 PM

"The rest of you gun ban nuts have your choice of gun banning countries you could live in"

What part of this is so difficult for you to understand? The ONLY guns that people want to "ban" are military style assault weapons, and nobody has even called for a 'ban", because that would involve people surrendering weapons that they presently own. NO politician has called for that, none.

I own guns myself. Have no problem with people owning guns. What I DO have a problem with is these very certain weapons, that are EXTREMELY deadly when they fall into the wrong hands. And fall into the wrong hands they will when every other house in the country has one or two...

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CaymanJim

Jan-09-13 11:23 PM

Gen. Stanley McChrystal resigned in June 2010, following the publication in Rolling Stone Magazine of his remarks criticizing our military policy in Afghanistan. Following that, he was succeeded by Gen. David Petraeus, who also has resigned.

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rick424

Jan-09-13 11:04 PM

Why don't you guys create your own state and you can shoot each other all you want.

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enigma

Jan-09-13 9:33 PM

Just watching Piers Morgan talking about how great it is in "his country" with all guns banned. Why doesn't he go back to his country? The rest of you gun ban nuts have your choice of gun banning countries you could live in if that's the kind of country you want to live in. This is the only country of it's kind and many of us want to keep it that way. There's nowhere else we can go for the kind of country we want. For all of you who believe in fairness, it makes sense to leave this country for the ones who like it and have nowhere else to go, and you can go to any number of counties that are already the way you want this one to be. It would be fair and much easier.

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enigma

Jan-09-13 9:01 PM

JerryfromRI, Which other or your Constitutional rights are you willing to give up, or would you like me to choose them for you the way you want to choose them for me. Don't worry, it won't be me, but after they take the right to bear arms, there will be nothing to stop them from taking whatever other rights they want.

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Ritty77

Jan-09-13 6:59 PM

Chris, if you would focus less on witless arrogance and a condescending tone, you'd see that I already conceded that there are going to be restrictions (all you needed to do was finish the paragraph you quoted).

My argument is against any NEW laws and I offered facts to try to support my position. You feign superiority and offer nonsense about 10,000 muskets.

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JerryfromRI

Jan-09-13 6:23 PM

@Rick424 "We certainly don't need loose canons and vigilantes out there carrying weapons of any kind."

@enigma "Not your call to make"

Not Yet. But we are going to change that.

Stop Gun Violence - Demand Change

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philunderwood

Jan-09-13 6:19 PM

Allow for involuntary commitment for those judged to be mentally dangerous to themselves or others by a mental health professional and severely punish anyone using a firearm while committing a crime. That will go a lot further toward limiting the kinds of atrocities we’ve been discussing than so called gun control.

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idiottwo

Jan-09-13 4:49 PM

I wonder if the public understood history on gun confiscation if they would react in another way?

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