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Don’t punish everyone

January 9, 2013

I feel for everyone involved in the Newtown, CT and other recent shootings that were carried out by people who knew no other way to cope with day to day issues....

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sideliner

Jan-09-13 5:45 AM

Even the leader of one of the military units in Afghanistan recommends a ban on military assault style weapons. He said there is no need for civilians to own weapons specifically designed to kill as many humans as possible as quickly as possible. I have to agree.

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sideliner

Jan-09-13 5:46 AM

<<< cont.

The previous comment was based on an nbcnews(dot)com story yesterday that I cannot now find...

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-09-13 6:00 AM

I suggest that you google something like "The Giant Gaping Hole in Sandy Hook Reporting" or "James Holmes adam lanza eric harris prozac ritalin" to see the impact of some anti-depressants and prescription medication in these mass killings and suicides.

This whole discussion could turn out to be who has deeper pockets and better lobbiest, the video gaming industry, the NRA or the pharmaceutical industry.

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wwhickok

Jan-09-13 6:07 AM

First of all Jack-Wagon is my line! lol

Secondly and more seriously, the time HAS come to reinstitute the ban on assault/military style weapons. I've yet to hear a legit arguement for not doing so. Having said that, there shouldn't be a total ban on firearms, the Right to Bear Arms should remain in place but alterations to the gun laws should be made.

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MrShaman

Jan-09-13 6:41 AM

"Even the leader of one of the military units in Afghanistan recommends a ban on military assault style weapons." - sideliner

His name is GENERAL Stanley McChrystal.

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wwhickok

Jan-09-13 6:48 AM

Shaman would you like a medal for always feeling the need to 'correct' someone? Look up the word 'troll'. I'm sure you'll find a picture of yourself there.

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rick424

Jan-09-13 6:57 AM

Like it or not something is going to happen. With Rep. Gabrielle Gifford back in the light and that stellar performance by Alex Jones on CNN, it is just a matter of time.

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Josh84

Jan-09-13 7:11 AM

@Sideliner, Ret. Gen. McChrystal made some statements about a highly provocative debate in order to garner some attention to himself, why? Oh by the way guess who just released a memoir? (Gen. Stanley McChrystal). I don't care what side of the aisle they fall on, when they exploit issues to advance their agenda its pathetic.

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rick424

Jan-09-13 7:14 AM

Oh my goodness I totally missed the ban the cars statement. By all means, we should ban them. But wait, cars don't kill people.

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wwhickok

Jan-09-13 7:41 AM

I'm sorry it's hard to take you seriously when all I can think about when I see your screen name is those big-headed 'dress me up' dolls all the little girls were going nuts over a few years back (Bratz). I would love to use them for some target practice. The dolls not the little girls..

Anyways, change is coming, how much? We don't know yet.

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rick424

Jan-09-13 7:47 AM

She and her husband are being realistic. What they are doing is the right thing. By fighting the NRA with money they are sure to succeed. It is great she survived but six others did not. There was also someone there with a gun. They did not stop it. In fact they almost shot Smeone trying to stop it. Yep that is the answer. More guns.

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CMReeder

Jan-09-13 7:57 AM

Wow!

First the writer wrote that there should be gun control law changes and then quickly adds but not my guns.

How competent is Gabby Giffords? She may have been shot in the head but has survived it. You on the other demonstrated that you have a hole in your head with your comment about her.

It is not her alone her husband is also directing the new organization. Truthfully it is about time someone stands up to the NRA.

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enigma

Jan-09-13 8:10 AM

Chuck,"First the writer wrote that there should be gun control law changes and then quickly adds but not my guns."

This just shows that even gun owners don't know what gun laws are already in place. If it wasn't for political correctness we would have known that all of these guys were mentally unstable and they would not have been able to obtain guns. It is already illegal for people who have been legally judged to be mentally ill to have guns. The problem is that we don't want to call someone mentally ill until after he kills a bunch of people. It's just a little too late then. That's what needs to change. The gun laws to protect us are already in place, they are just not used. Of course if a person has made up their mind to kill people the only thing that will stop them is incarceration or death. No law will stop them except a law that locks them up where they cannot hurt anyone, but that wouldn't be politically correct.

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MrShaman

Jan-09-13 8:25 AM

"I suggest that you google something like "The Giant Gaping Hole in Sandy Hook Reporting" or "James Holmes adam lanza eric harris prozac ritalin" to see the impact of some anti-depressants and prescription medication in these mass killings and suicides." - ToTEXASfromPA

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...Or, even "ReRon Reagan GUT$ Mental Health Services", from a "few" years earlier.

See:

HOW RELEASE OF MENTAL PATIENTS BEGAN

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MrShaman

Jan-09-13 8:28 AM

"Shaman would you like a medal for always feeling the need to 'correct' someone?" - wwhickok

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...As-opposed-to supporting T-Baggers running-free...regurgitating FAUX Noise talking-points?

Sure...why not.

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WaitingForReason

Jan-09-13 8:28 AM

...mandatory adult seat belt use ...traffic stops without cause ...warrentless wiretaps ...jailed for making a movie ...ban certains arms and magazines

What's next?

I am in favor of removing all loopholes that avoid backround checks and improving the database to ensure that it contains up to date criminal history and mental health information but this willingness to surrender more and more freedom to the govt concerns me. It is known to all that this ban would mean nothing unless the millions of these weapons and magazines already out there legally are confiscated. Why is it that only a few such a Gov. Cuomo of NY are honest about the goal of the gun control advocates? He stated in a radio interview that "confiscation could be an option". So tell me again how this works if "they are not after your guns". If not one more is sold, there are still millions already out there.

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SteelerFan

Jan-09-13 8:35 AM

Let's outlaw guns for civilians in Afghanistan. Then only the Taliban would have guns. I'll bet there is a slogan in there somewhere.

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philunderwood

Jan-09-13 9:02 AM

True to form, we have those without a rational argument to back up their position resorting to derogatory attacks aimed at the other side. Let’s see what’s that called? Oh yeah, narcissistic projection.

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JohnZook

Jan-09-13 9:35 AM

First- "Jack-Wagon" is a term commonly used by Gunnery Sargent (Gunny) R. Lee Ermey. Second- What is it that the NRA does, as an organization, that scares you most? Reeder, I'll expect a full and inclusive comment on the pluses and negatives of the organization.

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JohnZook

Jan-09-13 9:38 AM

Sham- you can join in the fun with your reportage also. It should be informative and instructive with a bit of whimsey thrown in for effect.

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spike2

Jan-09-13 10:00 AM

dbratz - Gabby Gifford is not in Congress. She resigned. She resigned last year. Physical capabilities do not equal mental capabilities. She has a speech impediment and motor control issues. This tells you the remaining damage is in one quadrant. Try a little research on brain damage, neuroscience, and Gabby Gifford. These are easy facts. Second, why again do you need an assault weapon or a large magazine? If you don't kill the person you fear in the first 5 rounds, you are going down. If you put 30 bullets in a deer, you aren't eating it.

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CHayes

Jan-09-13 10:15 AM

"If some Jack-Wagon goes out on New Year's Eve and kills someone with his or her vehicle, do I have to give up my vehicle?"

That's a question only an idiot would ask. Vehicles are NECESSARY to the functioning of society. Military style assault weapons and high capacity magazines in the hands of anyone who wants them is NOT necessary to the functioning of our society.

Some cars can go 300 mph. Are those cars street legal? Only a moron would assert that vehicles are not presently regulated for safety in our society.

If you need a military style assault weapon to just maintain, you actually aren't maintaining, and should seek psychiatric help.

Stop whining.

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CHayes

Jan-09-13 10:19 AM

"Second- What is it that the NRA does, as an organization, that scares you most?"

I'll take that. Their overriding concern seems to be acting as a lobbyist for gun manufacturers, and that in turn means that they seem to feel their job is to move as many firearms as is humanly possible into the hands of whoever wants them. I mean what can you say about a group that single handedly, and successfully opposed a law that would stop people on the terrorist watch list from buying firearms?

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CHayes

Jan-09-13 10:21 AM

"Let's outlaw guns for civilians in Afghanistan"

Do you understand how this whole "law" thing works? We don't pass laws for other countries, and they don't pass laws for us. Afghanistan may be an occupied nation, but it's also a sovereign nation.

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CHayes

Jan-09-13 10:23 AM

"She and her husband are being realistic. What they are doing is the right thing. By fighting the NRA with money they are sure to succeed. It is great she survived but six others did not. There was also someone there with a gun."

Worth noting Rick, that the person on the scene that was carrying, almost shot and killed the Gifford's aide that tackled the gunman.

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