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Clarification needed

January 10, 2013

We need to keep in force the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, but with a clarification of...... "Arms"....

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mikekerstetter

Jan-10-13 3:50 AM

Gerald Gephart Sr-"Everyone should have the right to own as many legal hunting rifles and hand guns as they wish, but military assault weapons are not legal for hunting. Their only purpose is for killing many people quickly!"

You're right. Which is why military assault rifles are currently illegal in the US.

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nobud74

Jan-10-13 4:13 AM

Sir, the second amendment and the rights granted there were not for hunting. The writers of the constitution and the bill of rights had just fought a bloody war for freedom from a tyrannical and oppressive government. The right to bear arms is not there to fill your doe tag, it's there to ensure your freedom. That is the problem with this whole argument about gun laws, it forgets the intent of the second ammendment and why it is so crucial to preserve it. We don't need to fight our government right now but if we ever do, we need the protections granted by our founding fathers.

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Tgrammiex4

Jan-10-13 5:19 AM

If we know that the problem lies within these high capacity automatic guns and the high capacity clips,why are the manufacturers allowed to make and sell them? Just because something CAN be made doesn't mean it SHOULD be made.I have no issues with people owning guns for sport and protection.People can hunt and protect themselves without these types of guns and clips.I understand the need for them for military purposes, but do private citizens really need them?

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Premier

Jan-10-13 5:38 AM

Tgam, go to as many sporting goods stores as you would like today and ask to purchase a high capacity automatic gun and notice the blank stare from the counterperson and the snickers from the onlookers.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-10-13 5:40 AM

To reiterate what Nobud said:

2nd Amendment ------> A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

"The term militia or irregular army, is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service."

The Amendment talks about a militia, not a a group of hunters.

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Premier

Jan-10-13 5:42 AM

And Mr. Gephart I think you are refering to military "style" weapons and while you can't hunt with them in PA you can in many other states.

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sideliner

Jan-10-13 5:51 AM

Tgrammiex, couldn't agree more.

It is a purely selfish, self-centered, to h e l l with the consequences mentality of "I want," "I gotta have," "It's my God-given right," "Yada, yada, yada" rant that drives this argument. Nothing more.

These assault weapons (not "Style" - they are what they are) advocates put their heads in the sand, cover their eyes and act like children who must have the 5th lollipop regardless of the damage it may do. Their "rights" supersede all others' rights to safety and security. It is a pathetic empty argument.

And I am not buying that these owners possess so that they can overthrow an unfriendly government should the need arise. Again, empty selfish argument.

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gavinf56

Jan-10-13 5:59 AM

So are the fighters in Syria a "well regulated militia" or citizens "necessary for the security of a free state" ?

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gavinf56

Jan-10-13 6:03 AM

Well we got the "you can't own nuclear bombs" silliness out of the way. Still waiting for the "cars don't kill people".

Beat ya to it Rick.

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Premier

Jan-10-13 6:33 AM

Sideliner: "Their "rights" supersede all others' rights to safety and security. It is a pathetic empty argument.

Okay here is the demented mindset at it's best. You don't want me to have a gun so you feel "safe and secure" but I cannot own a firearm so I feel "safe and secure"

Now that is a pathetic empty argument.

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wwhickok

Jan-10-13 6:37 AM

With the utmost respect to Gun Owners, I 100% agree with this letter. But at the same time, I think what he is trying to say, is not what he actually said. I think military/assault style semi-automatics should follow assault rifles in being banned; based on the same philosophy. But I also think they need to be more clear about the Right to Bear Arms. Guns that are used for hunting, I see no problem with it. Guns that are 'reasonable' used for 'household protection' such as hand guns for example, I have no problem with it. I just feel that there are some times of Firearms that there is no justifiable reason for an 'every day citizen' to own.

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wwhickok

Jan-10-13 6:38 AM

Having said that, taking guns away from 'every day citizens' does nothing to deter the criminal element in this country.

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wwhickok

Jan-10-13 6:43 AM

I do admit though, I see valid points on both sides of the coin. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you wish, but there will come a day when the 'Hunger Games' of sorts becomes reality, where the country is divided and we are at war with our own Government. Don't think so? Believe me, it'll happen, I doubt I'll be alive when it does, but there'll be a day when the citizens of this country finally realize they have every right to be in control. When that happens, if you don't have the sufficient power to defend yourself against a government who has more types of machines and firearms than you can even imagine, it's going to be a pretty quick fight. That, should not be a basis however for gun laws, because it is riding on the assumption that either A) you want there to be a war within our country or B) You're governmentally defiant. I think we've found out in other countries that even if B is true, it's not something you want to 'violently publicize' to the government.

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nobud74

Jan-10-13 7:01 AM

If an intruder breaks into my house sporting a gun with a high capacity magazine I want to have an even playing field with my own high capacity magazine. This is the discussion. The AR15 and others like it look scary and so people want them banned and their mags banned. If the gun had a wooden stock and looked like a conventional 223 would it still be as scary? The hysteria focuses on an inanimate object not the user/criminal. The same goes for high capacity magazines.

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nobud74

Jan-10-13 7:04 AM

And btw AR doesn't stand for assault rifle, it is the manufacturer ArmaLite.

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idiottwo

Jan-10-13 7:04 AM

why do you jump to the conclusion the arms are for hunting? Look at Mexico, maybe even take a trip there and see how safe you feel where these guns are illigal. Hint, hint, the bad guys have them! And be robbed once, like I have been there, your view will change forever.

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JosephOtto

Jan-10-13 7:42 AM

I own a handgun and I'm generally pro-2nd Ammendment but for all those who think they can defend themselves against the U.S. military with your stash of small arms - including assault weapons with high capacity magazines - I have a black helicopter I'd like to sell you.

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rick424

Jan-10-13 7:48 AM

Darn Gavin. You did forget we should ban them.

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MrShaman

Jan-10-13 8:33 AM

"We don't need to fight our government right now but if we ever do, we need the protections granted by our founding fathers." - nobud74

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...And, you (paranoids) are exactly the kind o' folks that need to substitute your "street-sweepers" with medication.

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MrShaman

Jan-10-13 8:38 AM

"And Mr. Gephart I think you are refering to military "style" weapons and while you can't hunt with them in PA you can in many other states." - Premier

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...If you classify prairie-dog shoots as "hunting".

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MrShaman

Jan-10-13 8:44 AM

Sideliner: "Their "rights" supersede all others' rights to safety and security. It is a pathetic empty argument."

Okay here is the demented mindset at it's best. You don't want me to have a gun so you feel "safe and secure" but I cannot own a firearm so I feel "safe and secure". - Premier

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Guns???

The original letter referred-to "military assault weapons". Try to keep-up....

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CMReeder

Jan-10-13 8:45 AM

I like this letter.

The right keeps showing how they have mangled the Constitution.

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rmiller

Jan-10-13 8:45 AM

This argument is getting old and with pressure mounting to seize "control" through "control" you are creating a perfect storm. It is a fundamental "right" to defend one's life or family and against enemies within and without. The discussion about nuclear bombs is a straw-man argument. Seriously, gun control? Against what? This is simply about control...the word gun just is one avenue our govt. wants to further weaken our society. How about we start at the top as an example...take all fire power of protection of Obama first. It wasn't an assault weapon that took Kennedy/Lincoln down.

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MrShaman

Jan-10-13 8:49 AM

"Call me a conspiracy theorist if you wish, but there will come a day when the 'Hunger Games' of sorts becomes reality, where the country is divided and we are at war with our own Government." - wwhickok

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Yeah..."conspiracy theorist" qualifies...as-well-as NUTZ, WHACKED-OUT, PARANOID, DITTO-HEAD, BIRTHER, OATHER, etc......

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MrShaman

Jan-10-13 8:52 AM

"If an intruder breaks into my house sporting a gun with a high capacity magazine I want to have an even playing field with my own high capacity magazine." - nobud74

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You've GOT such people looking-for-you??

How 'bout alien-abduction...any experience with that??

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