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Drugs fuel violence, not guns

January 10, 2013

Gun violence in our streets isn't fueled by guns, it's fueled by drugs....

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CMReeder

Jan-12-13 9:46 AM

"I have no idea who "Lazy the Liar" is."

Neither does the person who uses it.

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CMReeder

Jan-12-13 9:39 AM

Enigma you just should how stupid your are with all of your strawman arguments.

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CMReeder

Jan-12-13 9:37 AM

"Holy Cow Chuck! We have some common ground, I guess it must be pretty cold in he ll! ;)"

Don't put on your winter coat just yet a hot breeze is coming in from the dissenters.

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spike2

Jan-11-13 6:45 PM

rmiller -that was not a stand alone sentence. What kind of math example was that? if I have purple hair and you have green hair factored by x, how many oranges will be perfect in Florida. Seriously, our current DUI includes under a substance. I don't think all drugs should be legalized and it's all OTC at Rite-Aid but we need changes. Stiffer penalties did not work. We need a new approach whether legalization or dispensaries to maintain addicts. Crime and violence would both drop. I guess my suggestion is most remains "controlled" but by Dr.'s and clinics rather than thugs. Actually, liquid opium was legal until the 1920<s.

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philunderwood

Jan-11-13 1:32 PM

Whether to use drugs or not is a personal choice, whether drugs are illegal or not. It’s doubtful if making drugs illegal diminishes the amount of drug use, but it is a fact that making them illegal is responsible for the violent criminal element of drugs.

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nobud74

Jan-11-13 11:47 AM

rmiller, I believe you misunderstood. The question of prohibition working was rhetorical. It clearly didn't work. And our drug policy is not working either. Prohibition was very instrumental in the Kennedy family fortune, we can debate the family, but they have done many good things for our country and it's citizens. The drug industry is doing none of that and is only fueling tens of thousands of deaths in our own country and in many others. I would say that is an abject failure and needs to be reconsidered.

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rmiller

Jan-11-13 10:02 AM

Spike,

"Actually, organized crime went full focus on the drug market after prohibition ended. There was no longer profit in running booze."

Profit, Spike shouldn't be the determining factor on whether or not to legalize something. The welfare of the people should be paramount. For instance, an individual gets killed while involved in some capacity of the drug lifestyle. Are we asserting that legalizing drugs will reduce deaths, crime?

Clearly, while there are more vehicles on the road, with greater speed capacities, the stats for deaths on our highways increase. But, if the amount of cars was equaled (just a point here) the amount of vehicles on the road during prohibition, but now it is legal, does one not believe that alcohol related deaths would excel comparatively..now add drug use to the equation.

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spike2

Jan-11-13 8:30 AM

Actually, organized crime went full focus on the drug market after prohibition ended. There was no longer profit in running booze.

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rmiller

Jan-11-13 7:54 AM

nobud,

Decriminalization makes it legal, but no safer. Prohibition worked? How so? The Mafia/Cartel...etc., retreated and focused their energies in the drug arena. I agree that "The War On Drugs" seemingly hasn't worked. But, like alcohol, once legal, those who would profit from their use, will only turn to other avenues to keep the cash flowing. We fool ourselves to think otherwise. I don't call hundreds of deaths on our highways, health and rehab (both privately and govt. funded) the break up of homes, insurance costs for autos rising, etc., a success. s a t a n aside? he (small "s") is the destroyer that would rob someone of their peace and hey, it's working.

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CHayes

Jan-11-13 7:34 AM

A wonder what "drugs" the CEO of TN Tactical Response corporation was on, when he posted a YouTube video of himself saying that if gun control measures were tightened, he would "start killing people".

If you ask me, this individual is a stone cold terrorist, and I question why he isn't occupying a military prison cell this morning as I type this. I mean, isn't the terrorist playbook to threaten violence, murder and mayhem if you don't get your way, in some sort of written or verbal screed?

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CHayes

Jan-11-13 7:29 AM

Relene, before the election you said your deity would select the winner of the election, and you would support that decision. Now you seem to have back tracked on that statement.

Whose team are you playing for any way?

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nobud74

Jan-10-13 10:52 PM

So we went through prohibition and it was an overwhelming success. Right? I dislike drugs as much as the next person, but when we look back at our efforts and we do it dispassionately we have to admit that we have failed. Satan aside, have we been successful? No. Absolutely not. So, the question becomes do we continue to pound our heads against the wall or do we take a different tack? I think it is a conversation we need to have. Resources are limited. Do we continue to waste money on failed projects or do we try something new?

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rmiller

Jan-10-13 10:33 PM

Phil,

Enigma is absolutely correct...there is no valid argument for decriminalizing drugs except to make it readily available. Drug abuse, will still be ramped and I suggest that indeed for the recreational user, the legality of it, will only encourage more use. Drugs, alcohol...same valley of death and destruction. There is absolutely no justification to legalize an obvious evil.

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DavidBross

Jan-10-13 9:46 PM

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rmiller

Jan-10-13 8:55 PM

Legalization? Let's think a minute...Prohibition?

What's the difference? Legal/illegal? What drugs? What limit? Drive? All these questions and no real answers that validate using any substance that can or will affect the safety of another individual. There are more people killed on our highways every year due to drunk driving. So, it makes sense somehow to further legitimize more substance and put them behind wheels? This is not about drugs killing people, or even alcohol killing people or guns killing people...sin kills and s a t a n is all too willing to take up another subject.

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msgjsheets

Jan-10-13 8:15 PM

Liberals will look at that statement and decide that we should legalize the drugs and outlaw the guns.

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enigma

Jan-10-13 2:26 PM

wwhickok, Yes, that was sarcasm. Just another service I offer.

I don't know who Lazy the Liar is either, but I don't care.

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philunderwood

Jan-10-13 1:39 PM

Nobud, we get the society we’re willing to tolerate and we tolerate or at least wink at recreational drug use and keep quiet about users names, especially if they belong to the right people. I moved here during the early sixties and the market for drugs was already here. It was big enough to attract the criminals from outside the city.

I too agree with Chuck on this issue. The war on drugs has been a costly and functional failure. There’s at least as much drug use now as there was at its inception and the trade has turned into a violent criminal enterprise

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BornHere

Jan-10-13 1:39 PM

Wes, you and your sister use to wait for me on your front steps when I would be out walking my dog and play with her, I thought that I recognized your name.

I don't live in the area anymore but I will check out that thread, good to talk to you again take care.

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wwhickok

Jan-10-13 1:11 PM

BornHere, if you'd like, check out the Not Happy thread, feel free to contact me.

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wwhickok

Jan-10-13 1:10 PM

Clearly it's a small world Bornhere, because yes, yes they do.

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BornHere

Jan-10-13 12:52 PM

Wes I have a question for you. Do both of your parents first names start with a "P"? If so I have know you since you were 2 years old, we use to be neighbors. If not sorry for asking.

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wwhickok

Jan-10-13 12:26 PM

"It's against the law to lie on that form, so nobody would do it, just like if it were illegal to own certain weapons, people wouldn't have them. "

That was sarcasm right?

BTW, FYI, maybe either A) I'm not in the cool crowd or B) I'm just too new to this commenting boards to be able to associate screen names to nicknames, but ..I have no idea who "Lazy the Liar" is.

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enigma

Jan-10-13 12:19 PM

"Are you required to submit to a drug test when buying a gun? If not..all you have to do is check no.. you don't have to be telling the truth."

It's against the law to lie on that form, so nobody would do it, just like if it were illegal to own certain weapons, people wouldn't have them.

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enigma

Jan-10-13 12:17 PM

Chuck, So you say that the ban on certain drugs has been a huge failure and that we should drop it, but you now think that we should ban guns because that will work. Even you must see the contradiction in this. Never mind all of the other things that make this a stupid argument, just the pure contradiction in believing that one ban will work when others haven't is astounding. Of course it's a dumb argument on it's face to say that because people are still using drugs that they should be legalized. People still rob banks, so we should "decriminalize" bank robbery. People still drive drunk so we should "decriminalize" DUI. People still shoot up schools so we should "decriminalize" mass murder. See how stupid that is?

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