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January 11, 2013

OK folks, how do we prevent criminals and "challenged" people from obtaining guns on the street, you know, a bad person with an unregistered or stolen gun? Your solution to solve this recent......

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mikekerstetter

Jan-11-13 3:54 AM

Greg, now you know full well that sport shooting, target shooting and shooting competitions are not a legitimate recreation. The gun control people say so. You're just being selfish if you want to engage in something so foolish.

*note sarcasm dripping from that post.

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CHayes

Jan-11-13 7:22 AM

Weigle's off his meds again.

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CHayes

Jan-11-13 7:26 AM

Apparently Weigle thinks that the current status quo, you know the one that allows people that take to YouTube threatening to "start killing people" if ANY tightening of gun regulations occurs. Personally, I think any new tightening of regulations should include restricting anyone from ever owning ANY firearms, that ever made public threats to "start killing people".

Silly me.

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idiottwo

Jan-11-13 7:33 AM

why is it we can't respect all views including gun owners? Why do gun owners rights need to be trampled on? Are their views or rights less than others? Politically correct seems often to mean, my view not yours. problem with that is that cuts both ways.

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CHayes

Jan-11-13 7:50 AM

"why is it we can't respect all views including gun owners"

Even including those of terrorists?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-11-13 7:52 AM

"how do we prevent criminals and "challenged" people from obtaining guns on the street, you know, a bad person with an unregistered or stolen gun?"

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One way to help is to secure firearms in a safe place. This could be in a gun safe, with trigger locks, with cable locks through the barrel, with quick opening finger touch security boxes, under your pillow, under your bed, in a closet, in a dresser, in a locked room, in your hands, etc. In many cases, ammunition should be stored separately.

The gun owner needs to assess his/her environment and take the appropriate level of precautions depending if children, children's friends, neighbors, "challenged" people, burglars, etc. are or could be present.

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Josh84

Jan-11-13 7:57 AM

First, great letter. Second, Chris I have seen your posts alluding to this individual other places this morning. I believe you must be talking about the Writer for the daily beast, Buzz Bissinger, "popping" Alex Jones, in an interview with piers morgan earlier this week. You're right anyone making threats should be dealt with and treated as such.

On another note, I made it through another night holding the gun safe door shut so that nasty AR didn't get out and do anything illegal.

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djzlucky

Jan-11-13 8:12 AM

Texas, smart post and good idea. Would you be willing to take it a step further? That is, could we hold individuals responsible if they don't secure their firearms and something tragic happens?

Maybe there are already existing laws but if the consequences were more severe perhaps more lives could be saved?

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wwhickok

Jan-11-13 8:23 AM

First of all, I grow tired of seeing someone post something supporting legal gun owners only to be responded to with a reference to criminal elements owning guns as the basis for their arguement. No one is suggesting terrorists should not have their weapons seized. No one is suggesting that the criminal element of the U.S. and all over the world should not have their guns removed (if only it were that easy). The discussion, in reference to the 2nd Amendment, is a support of the legal gun owners of this country. Stop making the support of guns about terrorists, no one is supporting criminals, they're supporting themselves and their fellow LEGAL gun owners.

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wwhickok

Jan-11-13 8:24 AM

Secondly...Clearly CHayes= Lazy the Liar, that answers a question I had yesterday.

Thirdly = Texas, great post, you're 100% right in your assessment.

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nobud74

Jan-11-13 8:39 AM

Nice posts tex, ww mike, josh, idiot. CH, please explain how a law will prevent gun violence. We have laws against speeding, cheating on your taxes, jaywalking, illegal drugs, manufacturing and distribution of illegal drugs, planter boxes (couldn't resist) and many many other things. Yet, all those laws are broken every day by normally law abiding citizens. We all break laws every day. The law didn't stop the behavior,so please tell us how another law that takes away the constitutionally protected rights of many will end gun violence.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-11-13 8:43 AM

"Would you be willing to take it a step further? That is, could we hold individuals responsible if they don't secure their firearms and something tragic happens?" ---djzlucky

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I am sure there are some circumstances where criminal prosecution would be appropriate but this is such a broad question with a million different circumstances. The primary emphasis would be on the person that pulled the trigger, not necessarily the owner. I would think that it would have to be in the same perspective of a multitude of other ways people die, ie the car accident and whether the manufacturer, owner or driver is responsible; the prescription drug overdose and whether the physician, patient or other is held responsible; the death from a fall from a ladder and responsibility, etc.

I am going to leave it as is for now since we are packing to take our son back to college today. I will check in later this afternoon or evening.

But this could spur some good responses from others.

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wwhickok

Jan-11-13 8:57 AM

There's a real simple concept to think about.

When your kid is 16 and you give them a bunch of rules..what do they do? Rebel! Laws work much in the same way. There are just people out there, that get a certain level of satisfaction out of rebelling against the law. More laws=more rebellion. Does that necessarily mean 'more criminal activity'? That's open to debate, but in my opinion, yes, yes it does.

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johnnyad3

Jan-11-13 8:59 AM

Another paranoid letter from Weigle. No one here is attacking the 2nd amendment.

Both letters today and the comments address a line. In the other letter, where does society draw the line as to when a fetus becomes a child able to live separate from the mother?

In this letter, where does society draw the line in the types of guns necessary to have fun or protect one self?

IMO, the 2nd amendment itself is strong, has the backing of Americans and the court, is not under attack, and will never be stricken from our Constitution.

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wwhickok

Jan-11-13 9:00 AM

I actually agree Texas; Hypothetically speaking I believe some sort of neglegence or involuntary manslaughter, or other such charges could be brought upon someone who fails to adhere to security precautions/guidelines. I would say it would depend on the severity of the situation as to the charge. But I do feel that if someone isn't responsible enough to take the necessary precautions they either A) Should not own a gun or B) Should face consequences ...well I guess the third option would be C) Both.

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CHayes

Jan-11-13 9:09 AM

" the government funded ACLU"

That's a flat out lie, but why would anyone be surprised by lies and inaccuracies in a letter from an extreme right wing radical?

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CHayes

Jan-11-13 9:16 AM

" Second, Chris I have seen your posts alluding to this individual other places this morning. I believe you must be talking about the Writer for the daily beast, Buzz Bissinger, "popping" Alex Jones"

No, actually I'm talking about the CEO of TN, Tactical Response corporation. He posted a YouTube video where he said in reference to gun control "if things go one inch farther, I'm going to start killing people".

The guy is CLEARLY a terrorist, and should be sitting in a cell this morning.

It's not really that hard to find the story. You really only need to google "tactical response ceo". You mean Fox "News" isn't covering this story? Wonder why?

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CHayes

Jan-11-13 9:17 AM

I wonder what would happen if a muslim posted a video like that to YouTube?

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Josh84

Jan-11-13 9:33 AM

CHayes Jan-11-13 9:16 AM***"No, actually I'm talking about the CEO of TN, Tactical Response corporation."

I know who you were talking about. I just wanted to see if you would be consistent by also condemning the comments of one of your own ilk...What was I thinking?

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CMReeder

Jan-11-13 10:03 AM

So you trust everyone with a gun.

How do you tell the good guys with a gun from the bad guys with a gun?

How do I know you are not going to become one of the bad guys?

I only use a gun for target practice. That is right up there with I only get Playboy for the articles.

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CHayes

Jan-11-13 10:07 AM

" I just wanted to see if you would be consistent by also condemning the comments of one of your own ilk."

Someone of my "ilk" posted a YouTube video saying they were going to "start killing people" if a law was passed that they didn't like? When? I'd gladly say that anyone, of ANY political stripe should be arrested upon making broad threats that they're about to go on a murder spree.

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CHayes

Jan-11-13 10:11 AM

Or are we playing the false equivalency game again Josh? Because I still have idea what you're talking about.

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CMReeder

Jan-11-13 10:28 AM

You do realize that the people you would be shooting at if our government really did become a tyrannical form. They would be from the military, the National Guard, the police force.

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CMReeder

Jan-11-13 10:30 AM

The stolen guns mentioned in the letter was stolen from the target praticing good guy. You armed the bad guy and you even paid for it.

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Josh84

Jan-11-13 10:46 AM

I provided the name, show, and approx. timeframe in my first post. You look into it, if you care to. I see little difference between two, and I have already stated it was wrong, and I believe threats such as this should be dealt with. That is the underlying paramount point within this whole issue, The threats should be dealt with earlier, but not by the disarming of those who pose no threat.

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