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January 15, 2013

It would be wrong to arm teachers but very easy to put a retired combat veteran fully armed in every public school using federal grant money....

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Josh84

Jan-17-13 7:24 AM

@USABorn, you should note the use of scientific notation.

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USABorn

Jan-16-13 5:11 PM

Josh84 - 7:46 AM

"wwhickok Jan-15-13 6:44 AM****"I think you should look up how many of these incidents actually occur. They're not THAT RARE."

To look at it statistically, the FBI says that in 2012, 156 murders fall into the mass killings category. When that is divided by the population of the US(311,591,917) you have 5.006548357e-7."

Josh.........

5. x 311,591,917 would be well over 1 1/2 MILLION mass murders. The number is actually 0.0000005

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DavidBross

Jan-16-13 9:20 AM

becoming adults who lead satisfying lives. Just the fear of these events happening takes the innocence of childhood away and that is unforgivable for me.

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DavidBross

Jan-16-13 9:17 AM

LaughIn: Good questions. I think that if it was mandatory, it should start with principals, and guidance counselors. That way teachers could stil be seen differently by their students. Also, principals and guidance counselors don't have the immediate responsibility for kids and that frees them up to focus on the intruder without leaving kids without guidance. I think if adults in schools are going to be armed, they need to have the training that police officers go through. Also, as much as I am repulsed by the idea of weapons in schools, I know that, just as many educators would, I would be willing to do what's necessary to protect the kids in my charge. Some impacts will be the risk of some educators passing the requirements to be armed and then not using the arms when needed. Or, worse yet, using them when they are not needed. On an emotional level, I saw schools in general, and my classroom in particular, as a sanctuary for my kids where they could focus on learning and...

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DavidBross

Jan-16-13 9:17 AM

LaughIn: Good questions. I think that if it was mandatory, it should start with principals, and guidance counselors. That way teachers could stil be seen differently by their students. Also, principals and guidance counselors don't have the immediate responsibility for kids and that frees them up to focus on the intruder without leaving kids without guidance. I think if adults in schools are going to be armed, they need to have the training that police officers go through. Also, as much as I am repulsed by the idea of weapons in schools, I know that, just as many educators would, I would be willing to do what's necessary to protect the kids in my charge. Some impacts will be the risk of some educators passing the requirements to be armed and then not using the arms when needed. Or, worse yet, using them when they are not needed. On an emotional level, I saw schools in general, and my classroom in particular, as a sanctuary for my kids where they could focus on learning and...

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CaymanJim

Jan-16-13 12:55 AM

Well...suppose an armed guard is placed at every outside door at every school, in every town across America. What happens next? News of this is proudly, but stupidly, put into print or in front of a TV camera for the 6 p.m. broadcast, advertising the fact. Too much focus is being placed on an armed intruder intending to enter a school to do his intended damage during school hours. While these people may have emotional/psychological problems, it must also be recognized they are not necessarily stupid. If entrance into a school is denied, what's to stop a shooter from cahnging plans and going to a school function..a football game, Prom, etc. to do his deed. How is the safety of those attending these activities to be secured? Too much one dimensional thinking being used to solve a complex multidimensional problem. Knee-jerk reaction just won't solve anything for very long.

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msgjsheets

Jan-15-13 9:12 PM

I don't believe any teacher or administrator should be mandated to carry. I believe they should be allowed, providing they complete training and a weapons qualification to arm themselves if they choose.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-15-13 7:11 PM

If teachers, principals, or other school employees were offered a 1% salary bonus to carry a firearm for protection of themselves and students, you would probably get a lot of volunteers.

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rmiller

Jan-15-13 6:53 PM

Howard...that's an idea not yet presented. It is certainly worth considering.

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JerryfromRI

Jan-15-13 6:48 PM

Arm the 18 and 19 year old students too. That's free.

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LaughIn

Jan-15-13 2:55 PM

I think that our local school districts have some wonderful educators and administrators. I was looking for an 'inside' viewpoint which could look at the guns in schools as possibly being a disadvantage rather than a good idea.

I have to agree with Phil, the media is the governments best source of information and vehicle to the taxpayer, couch potato, voter, and grocery line checkout rag magazine.

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LaughIn

Jan-15-13 2:52 PM

I think that our local school districts have some wonderful educators and administrators. I was looking for an 'inside' viewpoint which could look at the guns in schools as possibly being a disadvantage rather than a good idea.

I have to agree with Phil, the media is the governments best source of information and vehicle to the taxpayer, couch potato, voter, and grocery line checkout rag magazine.

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WaitingForReason

Jan-15-13 2:28 PM

Surely we can all agree on "reasonable limits" to the freedom of the press. (Sarc) Start with the 2nd and the rest will follow.

Form NY states new gun law: Ammunition magazines would be restricted to seven bullets, from the current 10, and current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge.

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CMReeder

Jan-15-13 1:59 PM

People will not be satisfied with just reporting the what, where and when of an event. They are also going to want the who and how and why. The more avenues you have to report an event the more opportunities you have for an event being over blown or over talked about.

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philunderwood

Jan-15-13 1:25 PM

There’s reporting the news and there’s using a tragic event to push an agenda, from both sides, which requires keeping it before the public for as long as possible. Going out in a blaze of glory is what motivates many who commit atrocities.

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wwhickok

Jan-15-13 11:30 AM

One possible impact mandating administrators or teacher to carry firearms would cause would be that you'd have a lot less 'unattentive, and unfit' teachers in schools. And before you say 'we don't have that many as it is' you may want to take a more serious look at our school system. ESPECIALLY here in Williamsport. Our Teaching staff in most of our schools, like Lyco Valley, is saddening. I could name specific people who I think shouldn't be teachers but that's another conversation for another time.

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CMReeder

Jan-15-13 11:10 AM

"Not giving notoriety to these people would go a lot further toward minimizing these events."

How do you propose to do that without trampling the First Amendment or censoring information networks?

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philunderwood

Jan-15-13 10:55 AM

It’s true that if one has the remotest understanding of mathematical probability, they’ll understand that the chance of any one school being subject to such an attack is next to non-existent. When something does happen it stirs much emotion and generates much news coverage, which is no doubt, why the person does it in the first place. Not giving notoriety to these people would go a lot further toward minimizing these events.

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Alsever

Jan-15-13 10:46 AM

No one who served in the Military would ever agree with this proposal! Did 6 years in the armt, 31 months in combat in Viet Nam and the Military does not attract the type of people who should be guarding kids.

And to comments about racial problems in the military, in Viet Nam fragging of other races was not uncommon. In Fact the Military in 1971 stopped issuing the "Mini-frag" grenade because troops were using them in race battles in the base camp clubs instead of using them against the enemy.

As the Chinese say,"Just as you would not use good wood for a fire, you should not use a good man as a solidier" That was US policy in Viet Nam also.

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LaughIn

Jan-15-13 10:42 AM

David, could you see potential problems with school district administrators being asked or possibly mandated to carry firearms within the school environment? If so, would you explain why and possibly the impact it might have on potential candidates for educational careers in the future.

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DavidBross

Jan-15-13 9:36 AM

Another thought on combat experience: Good airline pilots are not always those who have fighter pilot experience. Military pilots who fly bomber and support missions are often better airline pilots because the temperment needed for flying passengers is not the same as the temperment needed to attack targets at close range. So, maybe the combat vet (especially infantry) might not have the mindset needed to effectively secure a school. This is not a criticism. It is just an acknowledgement that what is a valuable skill in one setting may not be the most effective skill in another.

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DavidBross

Jan-15-13 9:31 AM

"It would be wrong to arm teachers but very easy to put a retired combat veteran fully armed in every public school using federal grant money." A couple of thoughts: First,is the point of the letter to say what is wrong or is what is easy? The author needs to make up his mind. Second, I think how recently one was in the military as well as your length of service are more useful criteria than if one has had combat experience.

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Josh84

Jan-15-13 9:23 AM

MrShaman Jan-15-13 8:43 AM****"Try a lil' education, there, Skippy....

See: Neo-Nazis are in the Army now - Salon****"

I lil' education couldn't come from the rags you suggest I look in. In fact thats your problem right there, thats where your "education" comes from.

Never once in the years I served in the military did I encounter rampant racism. Never once was it ever a problem at the duty station where I was assigned. To say racists don't enlist is untrue but you speak as though they enlist by the ten thousands.

Maybe Sham you should crawl out of that hole of a basement in which you are deeply entrenched, shake off the fleas and stench, and stretch those legs and venture out into the Real world, and try to acquire that "lil' education" in which you so desperately need.

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LaughIn

Jan-15-13 8:59 AM

When teachers are hired as firearms instructors? Shaman, isn't that called basic training? I agree with your post!

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MrShaman

Jan-15-13 8:56 AM

"Leave it to Shamus to bring racism into every topic being discussed. Must have been devastated over the outcome of the Duke lacrosse team rape farce a few years back." - cheyenne

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No...I'm just better-informed than the average, literacy-challenged T-Bagger.

See:

US Army battling racists within its ranks

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