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January 15, 2013

It would be wrong to arm teachers but very easy to put a retired combat veteran fully armed in every public school using federal grant money....

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JustSomeGuy

Jan-15-13 4:43 AM

"Federal grant money"....just where does this come from? Ohhhhh that's right...taxes!

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RogerMurdock

Jan-15-13 4:49 AM

IMHO a "fully armed combat vet" would be the most vulnerable person in the school. Easily identified and so loaded down with gear they he can hardly get out of his own way and very easily neutralized. I formed this opinion after 9-11 when they had a fully armed service member patrolling the airport terminal in Montoursville. To me it was almost laughable except that it actually made some people feel safer. One person with a screwdriver could have taken him out. I think better to discretely arm the teachers and let the "bad guys" wonder which ones are armed. Better that than make the teachers cower in a closet and wait their turn to be shot. Also, how many of these combat vets might suffer from undiagnosed PTSD and might actually be a bigger threat. Keep in mind that a number of infamous shooters were former members of our military. Oswald and Whitman come immediately to mind. In many cases these knee jerk responses to tragedies only make things worse. Just my opini

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USABorn

Jan-15-13 4:49 AM

"It would be wrong to arm teachers but very easy to put a retired combat veteran fully armed in every public school using federal grant money."

There are approximately 100,000 schools in the U.S. Paying a vet $20/hr plus benefits would cost somewhere in the area of $1,000/wk. Add to that the cost of overtime OR a second person for extracurricular activities. Remember summer school and summer activities would have to be covered. So what are we looking at? $75/80,000/yr? That would ONLY be $8 BILLION per year for all schools. And of course, it wouldn't cost citizens ANYTHING as the feds would pick up the cost. Money borrowed from China or will they just print what they need, as they have been doing for the last 4 years?

We should be CUTTING spending, not trying to figure out ways to spend more.

cont'd

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USABorn

Jan-15-13 4:52 AM

Every school district should have their taxpayers VOTE on whether they WANT an armed guard in their school(s) and exactly how they are going to PAY FOR IT LOCALLY!

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gavinf56

Jan-15-13 5:31 AM

You don't need armed teachers or veterans in our schools. Although incredibly heartbreaking, these type of incidents are extremely rare. Calling for more guns in our schools is nothing more than an overreaction, it's like applying a full body cast to a broken finger.

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gavinf56

Jan-15-13 6:17 AM

To further add to the confusion there are some posts and articles about the "31 mass shootings since Columbine". Many of the liberal bloggers and left wing sites have added the tag and or phrase "school shootings" in a deliberate attempt to mislead.

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enigma

Jan-15-13 6:24 AM

I've seen that some are worried about teachers having guns, because they might "snap". I'm curious, is it the gun that would make them snap or is it just that or screening process for teachers is so lax. If you can't trust them with a gun, you shouldn't be trusting them with children in the first place.

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MrShaman

Jan-15-13 6:26 AM

"It would be wrong to arm teachers but very easy to put a retired combat veteran fully armed in every public school using federal grant money." - Howard Ebner

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Ah, yes...just like the "good ol' days"...when the town-folk would hire a professional-gunfighter to clean-things-up!!!

What's the worse that could happen...besides (testosterone-fired) "challengers" taking-him-on...to see how good he/she REALLY is!!!

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JerryfromRI

Jan-15-13 6:31 AM

Great idea! Is there grant money to hire back the teachers WAHS laid off last year too?

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MrShaman

Jan-15-13 6:38 AM

"...a "fully armed combat vet" would be the most vulnerable person in the school.

Also, how many of these combat vets might suffer from undiagnosed PTSD and might actually be a bigger threat. Keep in mind that a number of infamous shooters were former members of our military." - RogerMurdock

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EXACTLY; regarding the vulnerability-issue.

Besides the PTSD-issue, there are also those racists/White-Separatists (who'd volunteered)...prepping/training for that "unavoidable" Race War they've predicted.

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MrShaman

Jan-15-13 6:42 AM

"Many of the liberal bloggers and left wing sites have added the tag and or phrase "school shootings" in a deliberate attempt to mislead." - gavinf56

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Maybe they'd figured "institutions of learning" would have confused folks (like you)??

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wwhickok

Jan-15-13 6:44 AM

Rare.. is that what you just said? These incidents are rare? What do you consider rare because I think you should look up how many of these incidents actually occur. They're not THAT RARE. To me, first of all, this goes beyond just school shootings, this goes as far as gun violence period. I don't think that creating more bans and such is going to change anything. I do think that increased 'security measures' in regards to people buying guns is a worthwhile precaution to take. Such as having to undergo psychological evaluations, disallowing gun owners to keep guns in the home of a 'psychotic', and ACTUAL drug testing. As far as the 'fully armed Vet'...yeah..that's a great idea.

It'd be more worthwhile to just put a police officer in the school, except in this city our police force keeps getting cut. Within reason I'm willing to pay a little more to ensure the safety of schools, and my personal 'within reason' is a pretty broad statement considering i care more about my son

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wwhickok

Jan-15-13 6:46 AM

than my money. I'm not trying to sound callous by saying that so take no offense, by no means am I saying that people unwilling to fork over their earnings for school safety don't care about their family. I'm not saying how I think people should feel, I'm saying that's how I feel. But it's time for people to stop with this 'gun law' b.s. and start addressing the real issue. MENTAL HEALTH! The government needs to put more funding into facilities for Mental Health and create more mental health facilities; they also need to cut unneeded spending elsewhere before doing so as to not raise taxes in order to take necessary measures.

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MrShaman

Jan-15-13 6:47 AM

"I've seen that some are worried about teachers having guns, because they might "snap". I'm curious, is it the gun that would make them snap or is it just that or screening process for teachers is so lax. If you can't trust them with a gun, you shouldn't be trusting them with children in the first place." - enigma

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When teachers are hired as firearms-instructors, we could consider all that.

Seriously, Sun-Gazette...ads for body-armor???!!!!!

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wwhickok

Jan-15-13 6:53 AM

I agree Enigma that if you can't trust a teacher with the safety of your child, armed or unarmed, they shouldn't be in a school. I agree Shaman..shockingly..when a teacher is hired all of those things should be considered and teacher screening needs to be greatly improved, however, I don't recall hearing about a time when the teacher was the issue..it tends to be the student with the gun, shooting their classmates.

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Josh84

Jan-15-13 7:46 AM

wwhickok Jan-15-13 6:44 AM****"I think you should look up how many of these incidents actually occur. They're not THAT RARE."

The overexposure to the constant in your face media might make these events seem like someone on every street corner is being shot, this is not the case.

To look at it statistically, the FBI says that in 2012, 156 murders fall into the mass killings category. When that is divided by the population of the US(311,591,917) you have 5.006548357e-7.

Even though these statistics make the event no less tragic or any less painful for those involved and loved ones, it does make it "rare".

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Josh84

Jan-15-13 7:49 AM

MrShaman Jan-15-13 6:38 AM****"Besides the PTSD-issue, there are also those racists/White-Separatists (who'd volunteered)...prepping/training for that "unavoidable" Race War they've predicted."

There you have it, our service men and women are PTSD'd racist klan members.... as Ritty might say, DRINK!

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enigma

Jan-15-13 7:57 AM

Are teachers citizens? If so, don't they have the right to "keep and bear arms"? I'm not advocating requiring that every teacher carry a gun, but that their rights not be infringed just because they happen to work in a school. I do believe that administrators should be required to carry a weapon. If they don't want to, they can get another job. Would you hire a policeman who said he didn't want to carry a gun? Part of the school administrators job is to ensure the safety of the students. You can't do that with a pen. I think that's been sufficiently proven.

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FormerEastEnder

Jan-15-13 8:34 AM

Shaman - "Besides the PTSD-issue, there are also those racists/White-Separatists (who'd volunteered)...prepping/training for that "unavoidable" Race War they've predicted. "

Let's not forget to add "Black Panthers, The Muslim Brotherhood, etc..." to that list

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CMReeder

Jan-15-13 8:36 AM

Use a former military veteran, test teachers but don't test anyone else. Now you want to militarize public schools.

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MrShaman

Jan-15-13 8:43 AM

MrShaman Jan-15-13 6:38 AM****"Besides the PTSD-issue, there are also those racists/White-Separatists (who'd volunteered)...prepping/training for that "unavoidable" Race War they've predicted."

There you have it, our service men and women are PTSD'd racist klan members.... as Ritty might say, DRINK!" - Josh84

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Try a lil' education, there, Skippy....

See:

Neo-Nazis are in the Army now - Salon****

&

PressTV - US military battling with racism

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LaughIn

Jan-15-13 8:48 AM

It is not a job requirement for a school administrator and NEVER has been. However, it is a job requirement for a police officer. Why are we comparing apples to oranges in our analogies?

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cheyenne

Jan-15-13 8:48 AM

Leave it to Shamus to bring racism into every topic being discussed. Must have been devastated over the outcome of the Duke lacrosse team rape farce a few years back.

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MrShaman

Jan-15-13 8:53 AM

Shaman - "Besides the PTSD-issue, there are also those racists/White-Separatists (who'd volunteered)...prepping/training for that "unavoidable" Race War they've predicted."

Let's not forget to add "Black Panthers, The Muslim Brotherhood, etc..." to that list.." - FormerEastEnder

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SHOW ME!!!!!!!!!

In the mean time....

See:

Racists Work Fertile Ground of Military - Los Angeles Times

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MrShaman

Jan-15-13 8:56 AM

"Leave it to Shamus to bring racism into every topic being discussed. Must have been devastated over the outcome of the Duke lacrosse team rape farce a few years back." - cheyenne

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No...I'm just better-informed than the average, literacy-challenged T-Bagger.

See:

US Army battling racists within its ranks

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