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January 17, 2013

Last week, an Op Ed contributor wrote that the majority of guns in the United States have never killed anyone. He said that only "criminals, gangs and 'challenged' people'" can be held responsible....

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mikekerstetter

Jan-19-13 9:57 AM

Bull, one should not have to lock everything up or chain everything down. I should reasonably expect that when I come home in the afternoon that everything will be right where I left is when I left in the morning.

This liberal mindset that no one is responsible for their own criminal actions is what is wrong with this country.

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rick424

Jan-19-13 9:09 AM

"Joe Blow criminal stole Granny Smith's shotgun. Not his fault, Granny Smith should have had that gun locked in a safe." Then Joe Blow killed Jane doe. That is the problem. If joe blow did not steal granny smith's shot gun, Jane Doe would be still alive. If Joe Blow stoked a hammer maybe Jane Doe would still be alive. Yes it is Joe Blows fault but Joe Blow had help.

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mikekerstetter

Jan-19-13 4:50 AM

What a bunch of liberal crap.

What is it with you whining liberals that you can't pin the blame solely on the person committing the crime? It's not Lonza's fault, it's the guns fault. It's him Mom's fault. It's societies fault.

Joe Blow criminal stole Granny Smith's shotgun. Not his fault, Granny Smith should have had that gun locked in a safe.

That has got to be some of the most idiotic left wing finger pointing I have ever seen. That crap makes me sick.

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CHayes

Jan-18-13 3:26 PM

" So what do you suggest, punish the non criminal factor of the equation?"

Non criminal? If you ask me, it looks like we have a lot of gun owners, that through pure irresponsibility, are supplying criminals with guns.

But I thought you guys said that almost all gun owners are "responsible"? That doesn't seem to be the case.

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Josh84

Jan-18-13 11:47 AM

So what do you suggest, punish the non criminal factor of the equation?

I have no numbers to argue for/against how often guns are stolen from legal owners. This topic has become no more than mudslinging on both sides, and Productive debate has flown the coop.

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CHayes

Jan-18-13 11:02 AM

It strikes me, that if there is a gun theft a week in Williamsport alone, and each theft only involves one gun (certainly lowballing it), then that's a LOT of guns moving directly from legitimate gun owners, to local criminals. And that's certainly just what's reported in the city alone.

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CHayes

Jan-18-13 10:56 AM

" "Thefts of guns happen almost weekly in the Williamsport area."******David Bailey(Author of said LTE).

Lets not over exaggerate Chris."

How terrible of me to misread something in a letter, and then put "daily", instead of "weekly". I deeply apologize for the mass confusion that caused.

And I would have to ask Josh, what of the people here yesterday that said that criminals virtually never get guns by stealing them from legitimate owners? If this former officer is saying guns are being stolen almost weekly in the city, wouldn't you say those guns are winding up in the hands of criminals? Or are burglars not criminals per se?

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rick424

Jan-18-13 10:52 AM

Listen, that is a good argument for maybe some other time with no name calling. I am interested on your thoughts because I just talked to a co worker today that feels the same way. I find it interesting and, quite frankly, bizarre.

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GoBB62

Jan-18-13 10:43 AM

You implied. You're easily fooled. And you and your fellow lefties are either ignorant or blind followers.

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rick424

Jan-18-13 10:10 AM

"OK rickie," (Rick)

"3 things: 1) I don't listen to Limbaugh." (I did not say you did)

" 2) I'm an independent" (Could have fooled me)

"3) You lefties either lack knowledge of history or lack the integrity to acknowledge this is part of what dictators do for a power grab." (I don't ever see this happening but if it does your little guns aren't going to do anything)

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GoBB62

Jan-18-13 8:23 AM

rick424- "Seriously gobb, that is so Rush and just as disgusting. And you wonder why you lose elections."

OK rickie, 3 things: 1) I don't listen to Limbaugh. 2) I'm an independent 3) You lefties either lack knowledge of history or lack the integrity to acknowledge this is part of what dictators do for a power grab.

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Josh84

Jan-18-13 7:49 AM

CHayes Jan-18-13 7:06 AM*****"and yet today we have a letter in the paper from a retired Williamsport Police officer saying that there are gun thefts in the city DAILY."

"Thefts of guns happen almost weekly in the Williamsport area."******David Bailey(Author of said LTE).

Lets not over exaggerate Chris.

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nobud74

Jan-18-13 7:36 AM

(Fat fingers) responsible thing to secure them. The criminal is now the one with the burden of the law on them no the fun owner. But if the gun owner leaves them out for easy access by potential criminals then they should face some penalty for being an accomplice.

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nobud74

Jan-18-13 7:33 AM

And there should be penalties for gun owners who do not make the proper effort to secure their weapons. If the weapons are secured in a gun safe or have trigger locks and are stolen then the gun owner has done the rwsp

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CHayes

Jan-18-13 7:08 AM

"Leftists, you can't even admit what a cheap stunt it was for your dear leader to use children as props."

Two words: snowflake babies. Look it up.

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CHayes

Jan-18-13 7:06 AM

"You can't get around the fact that they weren't his guns and he obtained them illegally."

Right Mike. So what you're saying is that nobody can expect "responsible" gun owners to guard and secure these weapons 24/7 to keep them from falling into the wrong hands. And there you have the problem.

I was told on this thread that criminals never get guns by stealing them from legitimate owners, and yet today we have a letter in the paper from a retired Williamsport Police officer saying that there are gun thefts in the city DAILY.

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sideliner

Jan-18-13 5:32 AM

True, Lanza stole the guns. But a point was made that criminals get guns from organized crime and other criminals. Lanza got them from a responsible gun owner.

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mikekerstetter

Jan-18-13 3:53 AM

Lanza STOLE the guns from his mothers house. It doesn't matter whether he lived their or not, he stole them. He didn't acquire them legally. He took them without permission. He used them to murder the owner and then stole them. You can't get around the fact that they weren't his guns and he obtained them illegally.

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sideliner

Jan-18-13 1:20 AM

Science, we'll never know that will we since it was so convenient to just get the guns from his mother. It might have taken him more steps and therefore more thought to get guns elsewhere and quite possibly have changed his mind in the meantime.

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rick424

Jan-17-13 11:12 PM

Last I heard Santa Claus was at the North Pole. Did he visit you this year or were you bad. My guess is he missed you.

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ScienceIsKing

Jan-17-13 10:34 PM

Sideliner, (grammar fixed)

If that kid did not get that gun from his mother, he would of have gotten it from somewhere else(other sources). This kid already had it set in his mind of what he was going to do. You are crazy if you think putting a ban on guns is going to fix that. If there was such a ban in place, not only would that kid still did what he did, but then you are fueling other crime in the process.

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ScienceIsKing

Jan-17-13 10:32 PM

Sideliner,

If that kid did not get that gun from his mother, he would of have gottem it from somewhere (other sources). This kid already had it set in his mind of what he was going to do. You are crazy if you think putting a ban on guns is going to fix that. If there was such a ban in place, not only would that kid still did what he did, but then you are fueling crime other crime in the process.

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rick424

Jan-17-13 10:23 PM

Seriously gobb, that is so Rush and just as disgusting. And you wonder why you lose elections.

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GoBB62

Jan-17-13 10:11 PM

Leftists, you can't even admit what a cheap stunt it was for your dear leader to use children as props. It just goes to show how much of dictator wannabe he is. And it shows what lemmings you really are.

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enigma

Jan-17-13 9:14 PM

Hi Buff, Those stats are skewed. They only include when guns were fired in personal defense situations. Most of the time, all it takes is showing the bad guy you have a gun and they flee. The law prohibits citizens from shooting a fleeing suspect. Many times more cases are resolved without firing a shot and these are not counted in the stats. People who own guns should get training so they don't shoot themselves, but you can't fix stupid through legislation.

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