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Gun control suggestions

January 18, 2013

As our vice president fields opinions on gun control to come up with new laws in control of them. I have a few suggestions. First, enforce the laws that were already enacted....

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sideliner

Jan-18-13 6:09 AM

My point exactly. Responsible owners of assault weapons are major targets of theft. Get them off the street. No one ever should own one. Same goes for high volume clips. Period.

This new legislation just makes sense, as so many law enforcement officials are backing it. And those wack-a-doodle sheriffs that refuse to enforce it are violating an oath they took when being sworn into office. Clearly egos are out of control in those instances, which makes then very dangerous individuals.

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wwhickok

Jan-18-13 6:16 AM

I actually agree 100% with this. Allow just a slight comment about the guy on the bus..that's sheer idiocy and it makes the responsible gun owners look bad because that was anything but responsible.

However the point of this letter is not about that. It's about theives paying for not just the initial crime, but every crime that their actions causes. I am in 100% support of making them pay for all of it.

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MrShaman

Jan-18-13 6:20 AM

"I took a report from a person years ago that had purchased three hand guns legally in one day and on the way home he forgot to pick up the bag the three handguns were in, allegedly leaving them on the city bus." - David Bailey

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...And, you found that story believable????

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MrShaman

Jan-18-13 6:23 AM

"My point exactly. Responsible owners of assault weapons are major targets of theft." - sideliner

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...Especially if they have some sophomoric-need to constantly brag-about OWNING one.

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CHayes

Jan-18-13 6:47 AM

I thought someone said here the other day that gun thefts were rare?

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Josh84

Jan-18-13 7:34 AM

You're talking about people who lack moral compass, they don't care what future punishment could be levied against them for their actions in the present. They wont care, and therefore it would have hardly any effect. By acting illegally in the first place it goes to show that said person lacks concern that their actions may lead to penalty.

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MrShaman

Jan-18-13 8:15 AM

"You're talking about people who lack moral compass, they don't care what future punishment could be levied against them for their actions in the present." - Josh84

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I'm sure they appreciate your being their spokesman.

Now....WHAT were you "qualifications"/background (on the subject) to give you such insight?? What happened, to your "moral compass", that you were sent down a path of disregard for others??

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spike2

Jan-18-13 8:23 AM

Good letter Dave I have repeatedly said the same thing about "straw purchases". Girls. etc. who have no record, go buy a gun for a thug. When the gun turns up, they didn't know it was missing. I think all owners should have a window to report missing weapons or face a penalty when it turns up in the wrong place.

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SteelerFan

Jan-18-13 9:09 AM

Stating the obvious, gun ownership is a major responsibility. If you own a weapon and it is lost or stolen, it should be reported immediately.

Buying 3 guns and letting them on the bus the same day does sound a little far fetched.

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enigma

Jan-18-13 9:30 AM

Mr. Bailey,"Thefts of guns happen almost weekly in the Williamsport area. I took a report from a person years ago that had purchased three hand guns legally in one day and on the way home he forgot to pick up the bag the three handguns were in, allegedly leaving them on the city bus."

Oh yeah, I'm always leaving hurdreds of dollars of stuff on the bus. These guns were not stolen, that was an illegal gun drop, and by his wording, Bailey knows that. So why did he use this as an example of stolen guns? Could it be because there aren't really that many cases of stolen guns? I agree with most of his letter, but this part just doesn't fit.

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CHayes

Jan-18-13 10:01 AM

" Buying 3 guns and letting them on the bus the same day does sound a little far fetched."

And it sounds a little "far fetched" that a TN couple would leave a .40 cal handgun laying around where a two year old could find it, start playing with it unsupervised, and subsequently shoot himself in the stomach and die, but it just happened a couple weeks ago.

Still waiting for all these "responsible, law abiding citizens" to tell us how to make sure that only responsible, law abiding citizens buy guns. They can't seem to understand that a high percentage of people in our society, are NOT responsible.

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Josh84

Jan-18-13 10:10 AM

Guess we should bring prohibition back then too, right Chris?

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CHayes

Jan-18-13 10:41 AM

" Guess we should bring prohibition back then too"

I suppose at.this point that I shouldn't be surprised by either another false equivalency between putting increased restricions on one particular type of firearm, and an all out prohibition, or the fact that gun owners here seem flabberghasted by the revelation that irresponsible people buy firearms every day.

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Nm0218

Jan-18-13 10:47 AM

After reading so many comments surrounding our Second Amendment, I have to ask did each Amendment come with a list of rules under each one? Thus, it is an infringement of our Constitutional Rights! Unless they taught me and several other classmates the wrong amendments. I don't believe it says "Right to bear arms, however this excludes high capacity clips, "assault" weapons,etc." So until they rewrite all the Amendments, including a list of "laws" under each one, I think they should be left alone!

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wwhickok

Jan-18-13 10:48 AM

First of all yes, if you have a gun stolen it should be reported immediately. Secondly, the story about the bus, doesn't sound all that far fetched. It is a prime example of irresponsible gun owners.

I'm not suggesting all gun owners are irresponsible. But I do think that one piece of legislation that should be paced is that it is required to have a trigger lock (comes in many different forms) on ALL of your guns that you have purchased in the past and that you do purchase in the future. And if any 'accidental deaths' occur as a result of a trigger lock not being properly applied/installed to a firearm, the consequence should be no less than involuntary manslaughter. Sounds harsh? So does hearing about a child die because someone wasn't responsible enough to make sure their firearms were properly secured.

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wwhickok

Jan-18-13 10:52 AM

All I keep hearing about is "we don't need additional legislation".

Here's a couple of facts, yes I said FACTS.

1) All Assault/Military Style weapons should NOT be allowed to be owned by non-military/non-law enforcement personnel.

2) Pyschological screenings for Firearm purchases AND every member of that persons family should be mandated. Mental Health is the REAL problem.

3) Clearly there needs to be some sort of legislated requirement to further 'encourage' people to secure their firearms responsibly. Because to suggest that 'all gun owners are responsible' is a bunch of bologna.

I have heard all these arguements and excuses as to why further bans shouldn't be enacted, but I've yet to hear one legit reason as to why Assault/Military style weapons should be LEGAL. This isn't about what improves peoples' situation. It is about people not wanting to give something up for the benefit and piece of mind of others. It's about a selfish point of view.

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wwhickok

Jan-18-13 10:55 AM

I keep hearing 'responsible gun owners aren't the problem', yet some 'responsible gun owner' now has to live the rest of their life without their 2 year old because there is no legal requirements in place to make people have to have trigger locks or gun cases.

I keep hearing about guns being stolen from responsible gun owners. First of all, if your gun gets stolen, you probably didn't have it properly secured. Secondly, if it's assault weapons you're talking about..if it wasn't legal to own them, then they wouldn't be able to get stolen from a "responsible gun owner". And when guns are confiscated, instead of sitting around in an evidence locker after a trial that should be melted down and destroyed.

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wwhickok

Jan-18-13 10:57 AM

I'm not advocating for all of your hand guns or hunting rifles to be taken away. There are reasonable firearms, and a lot of them, that people own and I don't have a problem with that. But I do have a problem with this.. 'yeah there's a problem, but I have no interest in being part of the solution' attitude that 95% of the todays commentors seem to have.

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enigma

Jan-18-13 11:03 AM

wwhickok,"Here's a couple of facts, yes I said FACTS."

Those were not facts, those were your opinions, and you didn't even back them up with any facts. OK I get it, you hate guns and you hate people who own guns. Why is that? Did someone shoot you when you were younger? Did a gun call you names in school? A gun is a chunk of metal. It is not violent. Violence comes from people and if they don't have a gun, they will use something else. If you don't have a gun, you will be less able to protect yourself from a violent person. Even if it were possible to get guns away from criminals (and it's not), they would find another way to kill.

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enigma

Jan-18-13 11:08 AM

Why is it that people who know nothing about guns think that they are qualified to decide which guns are "not necessary" for private citizens to own. Here's one for you. If the police can use it, then it should be legal for private citizens. A country in which the police have rights the average citizen does not is a police state. It might be inconvenient for the police, but it's called freedom. It is also inconvenient for the police to read your rights or to get a warrant. Do you want the get rid of that too?

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CHayes

Jan-18-13 11:33 AM

This morning I heard a news story on the radio about a man in Trout Run who fired a rifle at a kid. The kid was standing outside his own house. Apparently the guy was also charged with another incident of shooting at someone else.

Just wondering if all the nice folks here think this gun owner is a "responsible, law abiding citizen"?

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wwhickok

Jan-18-13 11:39 AM

"Those were not facts, those were your opinions, and you didn't even back them up with any facts. OK I get it, you hate guns and you hate people who own guns. Why is that? Did someone shoot you when you were younger? Did a gun call you names in school? A gun is a chunk of metal. It is not violent. Violence comes from people and if they don't have a gun, they will use something else. If you don't have a gun, you will be less able to protect yourself from a violent person. Even if it were possible to get guns away from criminals (and it's not), they would find another way to kill"

Okay, perhaps Reality would've been a better word to use than facts. As for the rest of your moronic statement; I do not hate guns nor do I hate their owners. In fact in previous articles I've supported gun owners but this whole "a gun doesn't do this, a gun doesn't do that" actually makes you people using that argument look stupid. First of all, a gun is created to do one thing. Shoot

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Josh84

Jan-18-13 11:40 AM

enigma Jan-18-13 11:08 AM****"Why is it that people who know nothing about guns think that they are qualified to decide which guns are "not necessary" for private citizens to own."

Exhausting isn't it? I believe most have given up on this argument, and I will be joining them.

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wwhickok

Jan-18-13 11:42 AM

whether it be to shoot people or animals, it is still created to shoot. "guns don't kill people" When they are put in the hands of people who want to, the heck they don't.

Not possible to get guns out of the hands of criminals? Is that really true or is it just that the resources our government has is not being put in the right place to do so?

Enigma, you're the type of 'gun owner' that gives other owners a bad name. You care about one thing and one thing only. YOUR GUNS. ANything out, no matter how many guns are manufactured, no matter how many innocent people are killed, nothing else will matter to you as long as you get to keep your guns.

America needs less people like you.

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wwhickok

Jan-18-13 11:44 AM

As for the theory that any gun that a police officer owns you should own, we'll agree to disagree. As far as the military and criminals. Criminals should stop having rights at all, the moment they use a gun to break the law. Period. There is no reasonable justification to the contrary. The fact that you people feel these scum should be treated like anymore more than rats is part of the problem.

As for what I want to give up as an American..when it comes to this conversation...I'd give up you.

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