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Address climate change

January 18, 2013

During his first news conference following re-election, President Obama offered a vision of his second term agenda....

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rick424

Jan-19-13 10:29 PM

Maybe if we paid people a good salary they could afford better quality stuff. Believe me I was there once.

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nobud74

Jan-19-13 8:39 PM

...Especially when they're subsisting on a few-dollars-a-day, Goober.--Shammy

Uh, we would all love to see more manufacturing in the US, but until you nit wits stop demanding everything at Wallyworld be cheap as dirt, you will never stop the demise of American manufacturing. As for the wages, many of these factories are owned and operated by citizens of the countries where they are located and the contract with outside companies for work. Blame the people in those countries for keeping their own citizens down.

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nobud74

Jan-19-13 8:36 PM

Kyoto is the only legally binding U.N. pact for addressing global warming and underpins U.N. carbon market mechanisms.

But backers among rich nations - led by the European Union and Australia - represent less than 15 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions.

Russia, Japan and Canada are pulling out, saying it is meaningless to set new targets when major emerging nations, such as China and India, will have no binding targets.--Huff Post

The carbon market scam is all about punishing industrialized countries and the targets for CO2 are not fair in that countries who compete against the major industrialized countries get off scot free. So, not only do they pay their people nothing they continue to pollute with impunity. There's a head scratcher for ya.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-19-13 7:05 PM

"Gee....you must have been a Chem Major."---John Hilfirty

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Close but not quite. The chemistry majors would breathe in a lung full of butane from the hand held containers and then breathe out with a Bic lighter in front of their mouth and become a "fire-breathing dragon."

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MrShaman

Jan-19-13 9:58 AM

"Maybe instead of allowing developing nations to pollute so much, they required them to be clean from the beginning it wouldn't negate our efforts. But, hey, that would be wrong to expect someone else to adhere to the same standards as us." - nobud74

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...Especially when they're subsisting on a few-dollars-a-day, Goober.

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MrShaman

Jan-19-13 9:55 AM

"Exactly Cave. It seems that every time there is some new tax or restriction by the world it always hit the US the hardest..." - nobud74

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For instance???

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MrShaman

Jan-19-13 9:53 AM

"It's not rocket science. The solution is to produce less CO2 and planet a LOT of trees.

I don't understand why there is so much resistance to this idea." - JerryfromRI

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My first guess would be....it's a direct-result o' FAUX/Beck/Limbaugh/Hannity-overdose; tasteless, odorless...and, readily-available from the South-end of a North-bound bull.

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MrShaman

Jan-19-13 9:47 AM

"Hook your nose to a helium bottle, nitrogen bottle, nitrous oxide bottle, or acetylene bottle and take in several breaths; you will pass out because you don't have the right concentration of oxygen." - ToTEXASfromPA

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Gee....you must have been a Chem Major.

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MrShaman

Jan-19-13 9:43 AM

"We have to recognize that our environment changes and will continue to change, no matter what we do. It has done so since the Earth was formed and much of it is beyond the control of the inhabitants." - nobud74

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ooooooooooooooooooooo...."much", huh??!!!!

Yeah, THAT'S the kind o' quantification that should make us (anti-pollution folks) rethink our efforts!!!!!!

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rick424

Jan-19-13 12:06 AM

I hear you Gavin.

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gavinf56

Jan-19-13 12:04 AM

Travel, yes I wouldn't mind but I was offered a job back in 2000. Had to live there about 8 months out of the year and my daughter was in High School at the time. She was the higher priority in my life.

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rick424

Jan-18-13 11:24 PM

"I was already offered that opportunity and turned it down. Still not interested."

Really? Personally I would love to visit. We were planning a trip but we are moving instead. My youngest is moving to France, but maybe China would be in the works in a couple of years.

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gavinf56

Jan-18-13 10:26 PM

Actually Rick, the 3 main factors were a switch to cleaner burning natural gas (result from it's abundance here in the US), green energy initiatives, and the slowed economy.

If you can pull regulations out of that, it's a pretty good stretch.

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gavinf56

Jan-18-13 10:22 PM

"If you don't like it here live in China." - rick424

I was already offered that opportunity and turned it down. Still not interested.

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rick424

Jan-18-13 10:20 PM

Not true Gavin. It helped. But those regulations to reduce emissions are what did it. But the republicans want to remove those regulations. Something about killing the ecnomy. I guess I could use that old adage you guys use. If you don't like it here live in China.

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gavinf56

Jan-18-13 9:17 PM

It wasn't regulations that got us there Rick. One of the primary drivers in reduction of CO2 emissions in the US has been the switch to natural gas.

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rick424

Jan-18-13 9:08 PM

"Since you are exhaling carbon dioxide, when are you going to stop polluting?" :-)

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rick424

Jan-18-13 9:07 PM

"We have already reduced our carbon emissions to mid 1990 levels, nearly to the goals set for the US in the Kyoto Treaty (which we never ratified)."

And yet who are the first to complain about the regulations that got us to those levels? Why it is the right that is who.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-18-13 8:03 PM

"When is someone going to address the huge carbon output being produced in countries like China and India?"

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When you go to the store to buy something, look at the container. If is says made in China or India, don't buy it.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-18-13 7:57 PM

"Try living in a room of carbon dioxide only and see how long you last. It is a pollutent....." --RICK424242424242424242

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Since you are exhaling carbon dioxide, when are you going to stop polluting?

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nobud74

Jan-18-13 7:54 PM

Maybe instead of allowing developing nations to pollute so much, they required them to be clean from the beginning it wouldn't negate our efforts. But, hey, that would be wrong to expect someone else to adhere to the same standards as us.

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nobud74

Jan-18-13 7:52 PM

Exactly Cave. It seems that every time there is some new tax or restriction by the world it always hit the US the hardest and those who are the biggest polluters are not affected or at least not immediately.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-18-13 7:51 PM

"Go to a micro-brewery and ask if you can take a "hit" o' the CO2 that's been bled-off from one o' their fermentation-tanks. Typically, it's thru a hose that goes into a plastic-barrel...half-full o' water. Put your face right below the top-edge of that barrel...and, take a big "hit".

Once you regain consciousness, you'll have your answer."---JHilfirty

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Hook your nose to a helium bottle, nitrogen bottle, nitrous oxide bottle, or acetylene bottle and take in several breaths; you will pass out because you don't have the right concentration of oxygen.

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gavinf56

Jan-18-13 7:48 PM

We have already reduced our carbon emissions to mid 1990 levels, nearly to the goals set for the US in the Kyoto Treaty (which we never ratified).

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CaveFelem

Jan-18-13 7:19 PM

@sideliner - I didn't mean that the USA shouldn't be environmentally responsible.

What I was trying to say is that everyone needs to be responsible, not just us. Let's say we reduce carbon emissions by 20% and then China and/or India come along and just keep putting out the soot, erasing our efforts. Why should it just be us who tries? Everyone should try.

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