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Re-examination needed

January 20, 2013

It’s about time school districts re-examine both school services and facilities as dollars continue to dry up....

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twinder

Jan-20-13 1:25 AM

Property taxes are ridiculous and unfair. There has got to be a better way to fund schools than an arbitrary number value given to someone's real estate and then multiplying that by whatever percentage a local board chooses. Wouldn't it be great if we, the electorate, could set the agenda for each session of our legislature? Tell them that when they start the session, here is your agenda. You work on nothing else but these items that the people want you to work on, and until they are finished, you won't start something new. If you fail to produce results, we (your employer) will withold payment for your services until the job is done.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-20-13 3:16 AM

I guess students could start bringing a dozen eggs, a basket of fruit, a calf, a few chickens, a barrel of apple cider, etc to pay their teacher like was alleged in the old days of the one-room schoolhouse.

Actually, if the school reports they are looking at abandoning the football program, lots of people will willing pay the funds to sustain the school.

Teacher's salaries and retirement need to better reflect the cross-section of the community.

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sideliner

Jan-20-13 3:42 AM

Having been an instructor at the college level, and having a daughter that was once an elementary teacher, I must say from first hand experience that salaried of teachers are not out of line with the community when comparing them to those with similar education and credentials.

Those holding PhD's make far less that medical Dr.'s. Those with MS and MBA's are making far less than their counterparts in business and industry. Check salaries at local banks and insurance companies for salaries. Check the gas drilling companies. Check pharmaceutical companies, where a friend of mine makes 6 figures (locally) as a distributor of pharmaceuticals.

When considering that teachers literally are molding the future of our country on their classrooms, the impact of their jobs is monumental, Every year we ask more and more of them. We are developing the minds of those that will be caring for the nation when we are no longer able.

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sideliner

Jan-20-13 3:43 AM

<< Pardon grammatical and other errors as it is far too early for me to running on all cylinders...

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mikekerstetter

Jan-20-13 3:50 AM

Weldon, I agree with you on property taxes. They're not fair to anyone, old or young. They should absolutely be replaced with an earned income tax.

But blaming the teachers is not the way to get there. Nor is telling us how your social security isn't affording you the lifestyle you want. I know it's been said before, SS was never meant to be the sole income for retirement.

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mikekerstetter

Jan-20-13 3:52 AM

twinder-"Wouldn't it be great if we, the electorate, could set the agenda for each session of our legislature? Tell them that when they start the session, here is your agenda. You work on nothing else but these items that the people want you to work on, and until they are finished, you won't start something new. If you fail to produce results, we (your employer) will withold payment for your services until the job is done."

Amen Todd.

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mikekerstetter

Jan-20-13 4:05 AM

ToTEXASfromPA-"Teacher's salaries and retirement need to better reflect the cross-section of the community."

Well, yeah, the community has to be able to afford the cost of running a school, but what if you have a community of part time minimum wage earners? Do you pay your educated teachers minimum wage? They'll soon be looking elsewhere for employment.

I think we are too quick to make assumptions about teacher salaries and benefits and use them as scapegoats for the ills of our tax system and spending problems.

I am in favor of eliminating the property tax system. I think we need to look outside the box at our curriculum and gear our kids education more towards real world jobs. Do we really need to send our kids to 12 years (plus kindergarten and pre-school) of public school to effectively teach them the basics?

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mikekerstetter

Jan-20-13 4:12 AM

Cont'd... I think there are a lot of things we can do to better educate our kids on the basics and cut costs but it will require us to drop the attitude that we have to do it a certain way because we've always done it that way. It's like my thoughts on college; we're doing our kids a disservice by requiring that they have a college education to get a job, all in the name of 'well roundedness' and to prove they could finish something. Our whole education system could be retooled and streamlined to focus on what is really needed.

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sideliner

Jan-20-13 4:14 AM

Well said Mike...

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JerryfromRI

Jan-20-13 5:04 AM

I'm so tired of constant attacks on teacher's salaries. The Fox News crowd won't be happy until the unions are broken and all the teachers make $10 an hour.

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CarlHiller

Jan-20-13 6:10 AM

"teachers literally are molding the future of our country on their classrooms,". I've seen that one first hand and didn't like it. I don't call it molding. I have to spend many days overcoming the menticide of some teachers with my son. Teaching reading, math, science and history are one thing, but when teachers try to instill a value set that is at odds with the parents, that is when the line needs to be drawn in the sand. When I hear a teacher state at a school board meeting or elsewhere that the parent does not know what is best for their child, that teacher has an agenda and should be removed. As far as pay levels and benefits combined they are worth well over $100,000 per year. Personally, I believe that is more than fair for the job that is done. If a Phd wants more then go be a doctor or lawyer or something. I've know too many Phd's that aren't smart enough to teach anyhow. Our kids were taught better and learned more when the teaching profession didn't require a coll

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CarlHiller

Jan-20-13 6:10 AM

or have to join a union!

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MrShaman

Jan-20-13 6:32 AM

"My message to the general public is take notice because where we seniors are today is exactly where everyone will end up in life, and it is far from being pleasant." - Weldon C. Cohick Jr.

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Save your breath. You're "only" a 47%er.

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MrShaman

Jan-20-13 6:39 AM

"When I hear a teacher state at a school board meeting or elsewhere that the parent does not know what is best for their child, that teacher has an agenda and should be removed." - CarlHiller

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Yeah...you let us know when that happens...as-well-as the name o' the teacher who takes such liberties.

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CarlHiller

Jan-20-13 6:52 AM

Shammy- It is in the minutes of a board meeting in SWASD. Quit yer yappin without knowin!

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sideliner

Jan-20-13 7:11 AM

Bitter coffee this morning, Mr. Hiller??

"profession didn't require a coll" didn't require what??

There are bad teachers just like there are bad doctors and cab drivers. Can't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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CarlHiller

Jan-20-13 7:18 AM

Actually sideliner the coffee is quite good. Maybe it was not enough coffee. It was supposed to be college degree.

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rick424

Jan-20-13 7:42 AM

Hey, don't forget to add those armed security guards to next years budget. The right seems to think this is just fine. Wonder what programs we can cut to pay for them?

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CaveFelem

Jan-20-13 8:34 AM

I agree that something has to be done about property taxes.

It's not just retired people who are affected. It's any working person who owns a home. Many of us are experiencing stagnant wages. I earn $1.03 more per hour than in 2008. Over the past 5 years, everything has gone up, and that $41.20/week has evaporated and then some. But I am still expected to pay ever increasing property taxes to the county, township, and school board.

Would a higher sales tax in lieu of a property tax make better sense? At least that way anyone who buys anything would be affected, not just property owners.

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CMReeder

Jan-20-13 9:35 AM

So what is the price of an education for your child?

Why is it Mr. Cohick children should suffer because you did not plan adequately for your retirement?

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Ritty77

Jan-20-13 9:55 AM

"Wonder what programs we can cut to pay for them?"

How 'bout PBS, NPR, EPA, Dept. of Ed., Dept. of Energy, champagne junckets to Vegas, trips to Hawaii, trips to San Francisco, oil subsidies, "green energy" subsidies, agriculture subsidies, ethanol subsidies, Inaugural Balls, NASCAR promotions, bridges to nowhere, turtle tunnels, river walks, shrimp on treadmills, Moroccan pottery classes, "climate change" research, or empty airports, to name a few.

The government admits that it wastes $125 billion over and above authorized spending. There have been reports issued about the useless redundancy of government departments and programs.

So, yeah, the money's available to hire "resource officers."

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rick424

Jan-20-13 10:08 AM

Strange, none of those have to do with local school boards. But I am sure glad you mentioned that evil organization of NPR and of course how could we forget Big Bird.

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andy33

Jan-20-13 10:47 AM

I suppose it's too large of a concept for some of you hardheaded to understand...yes we all understand SS wasn't meant to be your sole income in your senior years....some have other pensions..some don't...IRREGARDLESS ...when you live on a FIXED income...that's it..end of the $$$ line. Can't wait till some of you smarta**es reach 65...we'll see if you're singing the same tune...I doubt it!

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andy33

Jan-20-13 10:54 AM

Hey there Chuckie...make sure YOU plan an adequate retirement...you will need a large crystal ball to foresee every event in the future that will affect your stash...make sure you take everything into account...everything...war...famine...everything...THEN you can get on your stupid soapbox and remind everyone else to plan an adequate retirement....

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rick424

Jan-20-13 11:45 AM

Funny Andy, the right is always preaching on here about planning adequately so the government isn't paying for it. I am confused.

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