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Agree to disagree

January 20, 2013

In response to Dr. David Keller’s letter “Misapplied Immaturity,” we, as Americans, are given our freedom of religion in our Constitution. It’s right there in the Bill of Rights....

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twinder

Jan-20-13 1:02 AM

I can only surmise that the writer learned, while enrolled in college at Mansfield University, that there "is no God." I wonder how much tuition you paid to "learn" this? I'm sure MU appreciates you being their spokesperson. I don't consider myself a highly religious person. With that said, I have no proof that there is, or is not a God. What I do know is that many of the lessons from the Bible, and many other religions, such as the Ten Commandments, are a good way to live your life.

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USABorn

Jan-20-13 1:43 AM

Nothing like liberal professors turning people off religion. Not to mention turning them off to love of country.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-20-13 3:06 AM

In God's creation of mankind (whether you want to believe it or not), He has created you in His image. This includes the moral standards hard-wired into your being.

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sideliner

Jan-20-13 4:08 AM

I am truly grateful to the men, women, and their families for the sacrifices they've made that have protected our right to believe or not believe.

What this author believes is of no consequence to me. I will not try to convince him of anything one way or another and his notions will probably change over time. I know my own world view has. And their were many times when I questioned the existence of a higher being (call it what you will).

I highly doubt he was "instructed" to not believe. That is not what is done in colleges. What IS done is encouragement to open the mind to all possibilities and question that which makes no sense.

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sideliner

Jan-20-13 4:11 AM

"He has created you in His image."

I say it is the other way around. The image of the Creator that I have come to know is much greater than any image this small mind could come up with. It is truly arrogant and self centered to believe that my own image is that God-like.

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CarlHiller

Jan-20-13 6:18 AM

We are not given anything by the Constitution, what a fallacy. Our God-given, nature-given (whichever is your belief) rights are guaranteed by the constitution, not given. No one wants a theocracy, neither do those of us who believe in God want you who do not to force your anti-religion on us. Live and let live, and God will sort it out in the end. This is the only nation on earth that was set up by the founders using christian precepts, not as a theocracy, but as a nation that utilizes the Christian moral code of the 10 commandments. You can deny all you want but the historical truth of the founders tells a different tale.

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MrShaman

Jan-20-13 6:48 AM

"I have no proof that there is, or is not a God. What I do know is that many of the lessons from the Bible, and many other religions, such as the Ten Commandments, are a good way to live your life." - twinder

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Yeah..."a good way to live your life."

See:

Biblical Intolerance

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rick424

Jan-20-13 7:49 AM

@USA "Nothing like liberal professors turning people off religion. "

Actually it is those religious fanatics that turn the young off religion. The most intolerant people I know hide under the name of God, some of which post here.

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sideliner

Jan-20-13 8:11 AM

Christians stole the 10 Commandments from the Israelites who had a contract with God involving said commandments.

To imply that Christianity has a monopoly on high morals and values is absurd. Other religions got along quite nicely before the Christians came in and killed them.

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msgjsheets

Jan-20-13 9:06 AM

Remember the First Amendment of Constitution that grants us the freedom to believe, grants us the freedom not to believe. The Second Amendment that grants us the right to bear arms, does not force us to do so. Some should consider that before siding with taking freedoms away from others.

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rick424

Jan-20-13 9:19 AM

Thanks MSG. Guns and religion, doesn't get better than that.

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CMReeder

Jan-20-13 9:46 AM

Just because a college gives degrees in liberal arts it does not mean that they are liberal. Many conservatives attended and graduated from college and have remained conservative. It is not an indoctrination site.

The Constituion gives you nothing, really? Owning a gun is a God given right, amazing!

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CMReeder

Jan-20-13 9:50 AM

I wonder if that bar 'Green Shingles' is still the bar students go to for alcohol who attend Mansfield.

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DavidBross

Jan-20-13 10:09 AM

Good letter. It presents a point of view in a reasonable fashion. That is separate from wether I agree with all, some, or none of it.

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DavidBross

Jan-20-13 10:31 AM

I think the phrase "(whether you want to believe it or not)" really doesn't allow for a good discussion. The same for phrases like, "I wouldn't expect (and you fill in the blank) to understand." As a teacher, I could say that anyone who hasn't taught suffers from Small Desk Syndrome and dismiss any non-teachers from being able to understand the issues in education. That, of course, is nonsense. I know that you don't have to go to college to know good/bad teaching when you see it. Let's offer the same courtesy to those in other camps when having a discussion.

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philunderwood

Jan-20-13 10:47 AM

Education should teach the facts and theories of our world and the ability to critically examine them to arrive at conclusions. Whether someone believes something or not should be determined by this process and could end up being “I don’t know.”

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enigma

Jan-20-13 1:08 PM

Mr Mahosky,"I have painstakingly come to the conclusion that there is no God."

Yes, I'm sure that he investigated both sides of the issue. Just kidding. I know how this works. "I listened to what I was taught in school and swallowed it all and am now forming all my opinions based on it." That's not painstaking. I have spend more time investigating this subject than the author has been alive. I learned all the same stuff in school that this guy did and came out an atheist. I have since found out that there was a lot of misinformation given to me and a lot of information withheld. Maybe Mr. Mahosky should take a good philosophy class and learn that claiming that there is no god is not an intelligent position. It is possible to be an intelligent agnostic, but not an intelligent atheist.

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enigma

Jan-20-13 1:42 PM

sideliner,"Christians stole the 10 Commandments from the Israelites who had a contract with God involving said commandments."

This shows a complete ignorance of the Christian religion. The only difference between Judaism and Christianity is on the question of the Messiah. Those who adhere to the Jewish religion are still waiting for Messiah, while Christians believe that He has come in the person of Jesus of Nazareth. Christians did not steal the ten commandments. They are part of the Christian religion, because they are part of the Jewish religion.

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enigma

Jan-20-13 1:47 PM

Chuck,"The Constituion gives you nothing, really? Owning a gun is a God given right, amazing!"

Showing your ignorance again? The Constitution does not give us rights, it forbids the government from taking away our God given rights, at least that's what the founders said. Some of them did not want to include the Bill of Rights for this very reason. They did not want fools to believe that the rights came from government. And yes Chuck, the right to self defense is God given, so I guess you could say that your fight with the Second Amendment is really a fight with God. That's not going to turn out well for you.

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LaughIn

Jan-20-13 1:48 PM

The "I don't know" conclusion is sometimes better given, than the 5000 ridiculous opinions from most. Why are we all here? I don't know!

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JohnZook

Jan-20-13 4:35 PM

My daughter(again) went to college at IUP. She had a Feminist/Lesbian Psyc teacher and if she wanted to pass the class, she had to satisfy her mind set. They aren't teaching anything about Christianity because they can't. They CAN teach Islam and other religions and even honor those religious holidays. But, being taught about Christianity, or even mentioning it, is forcing a religion on our children.

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JohnZook

Jan-20-13 4:43 PM

Laughin- God created us and made us in their image because they were basically lonely and wanted company. Think the Tom Hanks movie "Castaway". His character was alone and he made a soccer ball a friend. Which would you rather have- an inanimate object or a friends that you can be with? Of course, this is only an opinion and not something I sourced. And lets not confuse inanimate objects with Lefties...

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LaughIn

Jan-20-13 5:15 PM

John, sometimes the inanimate soccer ball justifies its ability to hold air and be used?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-20-13 7:55 PM

"It is truly arrogant and self centered to believe that my own image is that God-like." -Sideliner

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God's Word, not my own philosophy or education, says "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." -Genesis 1:27

I may not fully comprehend and understand all the implications but that is what it says and it applies equally to both male and female. If I take these words as truth and look at mankind's being to compare it with the qualities of God that are revealed in the Bible, I can see several comparisons that meet this claim.

1. Morality - knowing of right and wrong

2. Desire for relationship and knowing and interacting with others

3. Love and caring for others through action and words 4. Mercy and forgiveness to others when we are wronged

5. An eternal life, yet to be revealed

Conversely, we do lots of things that are unGodly; we fall far short of His righteousness, holiness, and perfect

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-20-13 7:58 PM

cont>>>

perfection. We do not possess His omniscience, omnipotence, nor omnipresence. It is arrogant to think we are this way based on our own actions, thinking, and behaviors.

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