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Gasland Tourists?

January 25, 2013

Growing up on a dairy farm in Tioga County, I've seen life through the eyes of people who spent their entire existence scrapping out a living just to support their families....

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gavinf56

Jan-25-13 5:18 AM

Good letter.

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sideliner

Jan-25-13 5:37 AM

Economic benefits outweighed environmental health for industries and municipalities lining Lake Erie until the pollutants were so severe that the lake was declared "dead" until the '70's when legislation forced a reconstruction of waste disposal by those industries and municipalities. The same arguments I hear here with NG extraction methods were used by pollutants of Lake Erie back then and as long as profits were high and costs were low a blind eye was turned to the obvious destruction of the environment. I would hate to see that happen here with the NG industry. There is too much at stake to take a "wait and see" approach.

I have many friends who now work within the industry and am happy to see them take advantage of the boom. At the same time we need to balance the need for both gas and dollars against the need to protect pristine waters and forest lands. My grandson and his grandchildren demand it.

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mikekerstetter

Jan-25-13 5:55 AM

"I was angry to read the article about the Hollywood fat cats touring our state."

I didn't read the article, but when I read this comment I immediately thought of Wendy Lynn Lee and her band of cohorts who run around the area using poor people to further her anti-gas agenda. I understand the writers anger.

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Tedeaux

Jan-25-13 6:00 AM

I'd like to add that even though you may have a well on your property, it usually does not interfere with whatever other activities that the landowner has going on, on his property. This dairy farm could still be active or even improved upon, if the landowner saw fit to do so, using some of the proceeds from his royalty checks. Quick and easy profits from oil and gas exploration don't have to spell the end of the family farm in PA.

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graybeard54

Jan-25-13 6:01 AM

To be fair and balanced, people need to see the other side of the Gasland story....called Frack Nation.....a documentary that exposes the lies of Gasland and Josh Fox,and the lies purported in Dimock .

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wwhickok

Jan-25-13 7:00 AM

"It is the general opinion that those who are against the gas industry are the ones who aren't making any money from it."

With all due respect, you need to look at it from our point of view. If you did, you'd know that could not be any further from the truth. I'm not denying that there are a small group of people who are 'jealous'. But there is an even larger group of people who are furious over landlords driving up rent costs as a result of the gas line workers being in the area. Making it so that those of us who have regular jobs can't afford housing in the area, especially if you have a family to support. I speak from first hand knowledge. It really ticks me off to see landlords charging $800+ for a 1 bedroom apartment. Are you serious? If you find an apt for under a grand that has 2 bedrooms in it, you're golden.

Seriously, I don't have a problem with what the gas line workers are making, I don't have a problem with the land owners who choose to allow drilling

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wwhickok

Jan-25-13 7:02 AM

their land, it's their land I don't give a crap what you do with it. What I do care about is the skyrocketing rent prices. And furthermore landlords who have evicted tenants just to be able to rent to the gas lines. If you're one of those people saying this isn't happening it's because you're CHOOSING not to see it or acknowledge it.

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wwhickok

Jan-25-13 7:02 AM

It would be a lot different if there was a plentiful supply of well paying jobs to everyone in Williamsport and surrounding areas, but there's not.

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sideliner

Jan-25-13 7:19 AM

I have first hand experience with the rent gouging. After being in out place for years on year-to-year leases, last year we were taken down to a month to month. Seeing the writing on the wall we began the hunt. We have been looking for over a year and with 2 incomes it has been a frustrating search.

We finally found housing with a landlord that is appalled at the practices of her counterparts and continues to rent working class apartments at the same reasonable rates she has always applied. These landlords are few and far between. Greed has taken over in so many areas indirectly related to the NG extraction industry.

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bhalemail

Jan-25-13 7:25 AM

I just rented my 3 bedroom remodeled house for $900/mo. It's a very nice house and i didn't have an overflow of applicants. It's a local family that rented mine. Maybe 2 years ago when the "boom" was in full affect there was a shortage of housing that drove up prices (supply and demand - basic economics) but not now. Also I know firsthand that safety with these gas companies is number 1 and with all the activity going on in the last 5 years I'd say they've got a very good track record so far.

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rick424

Jan-25-13 7:41 AM

I am leaving the area, all I can say is good luck to you all. Tim, I Hope you make lots of money. Hope your neighbors still like you. You seem like an interesting fellow there Tim with your Facebook page and all. Just remember if something happens on your land don't look for any help. Not from DEP, not from your neighbors and certainly not from the politicians, they have there noses so brown from this industry they can't see right from wrong. Again I hope you make lots and lots of money and I hope nothing goes wrong.

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rick424

Jan-25-13 7:50 AM

Oh I forgot Tim, don't look for any help from the industry either. If there is a problem all they will say is it is not our fault. So I guess you are pretty much on your own.

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mazmdm

Jan-25-13 8:07 AM

The USA has been fracking for decades. Now we can drill horizontally and then frack which allows for a more productive well. Hollywood and the hippies are mad because it puts a damper on their "green" energy.

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rick424

Jan-25-13 8:12 AM

"Hollywood and the hippies..."

Too funny, thanks

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wwhickok

Jan-25-13 8:36 AM

bhalemail, you're one of the FEW that would rent that size of a home/apt for so cheap. I respect that, but it's not a matter of 'shortage of houses' it's a matter of affordability.

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philunderwood

Jan-25-13 8:43 AM

Like all things that become highly politicized, exaggerations and out right lies take the place of facts. In this case facts are on the side of the gas producers, and landlords are simply applying economic supply and demand principles.

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mikekerstetter

Jan-25-13 8:44 AM

rick424-"You seem like an interesting fellow there Tim with your Facebook page and all."

Stalker??

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twinder

Jan-25-13 8:46 AM

Why would you pay $900 a month to rent a home when you can buy one for a lot less? I built my home in 1995 and my mortgage, including taxes and insurance, is nowhere near $900 a month.

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Wardcitizen

Jan-25-13 8:50 AM

When your water is unfit to drink and the cows are dying from the water and can't produce milk, please don't look for help from the people who warned you in the beginning. I live in a high gas area and I have a different opinion about the traffic and what it is doing to our forest and land.

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wwhickok

Jan-25-13 9:13 AM

Twinder- Not everyone can afford to buy a home, nor does everyone have the capabilities to do so. Unfortunately in my case, I have an onslaught of student loans and medical bills that prevent me from doing so, because you have a valid point, but unfortunately, that isn't possible for everyone. Those who can't buy a home, are left to suffer the wrath of price gouging landlords. Supply and Demand? Maybe. Greed? Definitely.

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CMReeder

Jan-25-13 9:14 AM

Bottom line it comes down to money, nothing else matters.

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rick424

Jan-25-13 9:15 AM

"Stalker??"

Nope, Google.

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twinder

Jan-25-13 11:17 AM

I disagree Hic****. We had student loans, car loans, and other bills like everyone else. In fact, when we built our home, it was cheaper than renting in 1995 and we were able to also take advantage of income tax deductions. We also have been building equity over the years. When you rent, you have nothing to show for all of your money spent on rent. I never said it was easy. I will say it is definitely worth the effort.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-25-13 11:20 AM

"I am leaving the area, all I can say is good luck to you all."---Rick424

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Just curious, when you move and sell your property, are you going to retain mineral rights?

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rick424

Jan-25-13 11:32 AM

No, I am selling them with the property. The new owners are more than welcome to sell off if they so desire.

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