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Biblical authority

January 27, 2013

“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he receive them, for they are spiritually discerned” (1 Corinthians 2:14....

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Class144

Jan-30-13 7:24 PM

"your handle should be" Noclass144" or possibly just "Imanass144" either way they both fit."

Wow. A keyboard comedian. I suppose, Toolman, you took time off from working on your doctoral thesis to drop by and lend your erudite insights? Well done. Well done.

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toolman

Jan-30-13 5:35 PM

your handle should be" Noclass144" or possibly just "Imanass144" either way they both fit.

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JosephOtto

Jan-30-13 11:16 AM

"I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist" is a great book about how much faith it takes to accept the claims of Atheism, because it really has no solid foundation and it's tenets are specious."

Since no one wants to answer my last question, I went ahead and started reading the book. Within 25 pages I realized the author was making the same fundamental mistake most others do - thinking Atheism is a belief system, that we are sure the Biblical God does not exist. If the author was right about his fundamental understanding of Atheism a far more substantive discussion could be had but he proceeds from false assumptions at the outset.

Atheism holds no belief contrary to yours, it simply rejects beliefs that have insufficient evidence to support them. Do I know how Life came to be? Nope. I just don't believe Genesis is true.

I basically wrote all that for my own amusement. The exact same argument will ensue next time, as if I had typed nothing at all.

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Class144

Jan-29-13 8:11 PM

“However, all the laws of the Old Testament were fulfilled by the Crucifixion of Jesus, the Christ.”

Well then, that certainly makes everyone feel better for all the supposed non-virgins who were stoned, or the disobedient children who were stoned, or the children who were killed for working on the Sabbath, or the countless acts of slavery the OT condoned. You know, those things that were very practical in their day, and, more important, were commanded by your god. What a great guy. Oh, let’s not forget that little incident where your god commanded Abraham to disembowel his child, until the moment when he said it was just a joke. Your god was such a prankster. Pssssst…that thing with Mary, well, I would call that rape. Maybe that’s one reason why it’s not listed under the ten commandments.

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Class144

Jan-29-13 7:46 PM

Well thanks for that little bit of proselytization from someone who claims to know the mind of god, which is the highest form of ignorance. There’s no need for me to accept your ‘sadness’ which is little more than a petty, arrogant insult. Your so-called belief in your god is no more valid than someone else’s belief in Buddha, or Santa Claus, or Shiva, etc. I do find it somewhat puzzling how adults can profess this unwavering belief in talking snakes, zombies, virgin births, the universe being created in 7 days, none of which, as I mentioned before, has any evidence of ever happening, well, because it’s impossible due to this small thing called science. So you are left with little more than assertions about ‘sin’ and ‘salvation’ and a belief in a petty tyrant who by virtue of a book written by peasants condones eternal torture, slavery, rape, misogyny. Yes, you are correct. I have no fear of myths and boggy men. Amen. Time to sin a little bit with the current issue of Penthouse.

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WKnapp

Jan-29-13 6:54 PM

In proper context, the items that seem to be 'silly notions' by 'today's world', the dietary regulations, clothing requirements, and all that, had very practical reasons in their day. However, all the laws of the Old Testament were fulfilled by the Crucifixion of Jesus, the Christ. They were not abolished, but fulfilled. All the requirements of the law are taken care of for us, paid by the price of the blood of Jesus. I'm not saying "taken care of for me", though that is true. It is also true that the requirements of the law are "taken care of for US", including everybody in the world. Salvation is available for all people. It's a free gift. All the work is done. All anyone does to receive it is to accept it. That's all.

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WKnapp

Jan-29-13 6:37 PM

As I have said before, I feel sad for your ilk, to be so fooled by the wisdom of the world, which is foolishness compared to the reality of the Almighty. Because you're not inclined to spiritual things, they seem foolish to you. God opens spiritual eyes, convincing us of His truth. You seem really bitter and cynical. Also, you seem to have no concept that a sexual sin is a sexual sin, whether it's adultery or rape. For that matter, a sin is a sin, there are no degrees of sin, no 'little' sins. All are deadly. And NOTHING predates God. There is no other. You dare be as smarmy and small as you want. God loves you. Your eternity is yours to determine. You will get what you desire. If you wish for no God, He'll grant your wish and you'll be seperated from Him forever. Not scary to you, since you're wise in the world. Go with that.

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Class144

Jan-29-13 5:15 PM

********** is b e a s tility

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Class144

Jan-29-13 5:13 PM

No, rape isn’t adultery. Come to think about it, all the "abominations:" homosexuality, **********, wearing two kinds of fabrics, eating shellfish—all those sins that apparently god saves his utmost contempt for, never made it into the Ten Commandments. It appears your god wasn’t so godly after all? Maybe you want to rape her when you look ‘lustily’ on another woman, as for me, if I see a good-looking woman, rape never enters my mind.

Common sense and compassion prevailed long before the myth of your space god came on the scene. There’s zero evidence for its existence.

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WKnapp

Jan-29-13 4:25 PM

... and the coveting doesn't even involve touching, just looking. If you look lustfully on another person, you have committed adultery, or even rape, in your heart.

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WKnapp

Jan-29-13 4:20 PM

Class144

Jan-29-13 1:31 PM

Yes, those wonderful ten commandments. Is it too modern to notice that there is nothing in the ten commandments about the protection of children from cruelty, nothing about rape, nothing about slavery, and nothing about genocide?

Honor thy father and thy mother... gee, that covers a whole lot! How many of the enumerated wrongs are actually honoring to one's parents? Thou shalt not kill... this is in the sense of MURDERING other people. Doesn't GENOCIDE fall under that? Thou shalt not commit adultery... how many sexual sins can be listed as adulterous in nature? Thou shalt not steal... it doesn't specify steal WHAT! Isn't abusing children a kind of stealing, the thievery of their innocence? Thou shalt not bear false witness... ooooh, no lying! Who commits a crime, then readily admits it? Thou shalt not covet... that's desiring other people's possessions, things that don't belong to us. Isn't that looking lustfully on another person.

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Class144

Jan-29-13 1:31 PM

“The Ten Commandments are given to show us our need for a loving God who provided a substitution for sin.”

Yes, those wonderful ten commandments. Is it too modern to notice that there is nothing in the ten commandments about the protection of children from cruelty, nothing about rape, nothing about slavery, and nothing about genocide? Or is it too exactingly “in context” to notice that some of these very offenses are about to be positively recommended?

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Class144

Jan-29-13 1:27 PM

“You can believe or not, but it is your choice and someday it will be your judgment.”

Oh, where to begin with such foolishness. Of course you know what happens to us when we die? What happens if some other god decides to judge you for being a Christian?

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Class144

Jan-29-13 1:23 PM

“There's a huge difference between knowing something in your head and knowing it with your whole being.”

Why don’t you demonstrate this for those of us who are ignorant?

“That's why I feel incredibly sad for scoffers, whoever they are. I pity them, and try to reach them, but with time their hearts are hardened and they become more difficult to reach.”

Yes, and adherents to other religions can say the same thing about you. Much ado about nothing.

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Class144

Jan-29-13 1:19 PM

"I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist" is a great book about how much faith it takes to accept the claims of Atheism, because it really has no solid foundation and it's tenets are specious."

Right. Science, logic, and reason have no solid foundation?

Yet, believing in talking snakes, zombies, a 6,000 year old earth, and a space god who impregnates a virgin, is logical, reasonable, and non-specious? Sounds more like Harry Potter to me.

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JosephOtto

Jan-29-13 11:39 AM

"I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist" is a great book about how much faith it takes to accept the claims of Atheism, because it really has no solid foundation and it's tenets are specious." - enigma

enigma (or anyone else) - what are these "claims" being made by Atheism, as you understand them?

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cutman

Jan-29-13 8:47 AM

"What YOU'RE referring-to is Belief...that has nothing-to-do with Knowledge."

Okay, where did all this "knowledge" come from?

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CMReeder

Jan-29-13 8:29 AM

Mr. Knapp is flagrantly fragrant.

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MrShaman

Jan-29-13 4:25 AM

"The demons, and even Satan himself, know who Jesus is! There's a huge difference between knowing something in your head and knowing it with your whole being." - WKnapp

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Try, again. The conflict is between Belief & Knowledge!!

What YOU'RE referring-to is Belief...that has nothing-to-do with Knowledge.

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WKnapp

Jan-28-13 10:11 PM

Ahhh... the fragrance of ignorance and rebellion! "Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place, and gave Him the Name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Philipians 2:9-11 NIV. The demons, and even Satan himself, know who Jesus is! There's a huge difference between knowing something in your head and knowing it with your whole being. There is no salvation for Satan, demons and humans who died in rebellion to God. They had their chances. Those who never heard are better off than those who heard and refused. That's why I feel incredibly sad for scoffers, whoever they are. I pity them, and try to reach them, but with time their hearts are hardened and they become more difficult to reach. If it is God's will, eventually they will come by God's grace.

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FortySixand2

Jan-28-13 8:44 PM

Biblical Authority......BARF!!!!

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MrShaman

Jan-28-13 9:26 AM

"Hi texas, just curious, but what sin exactly am I guilty of committing this week? I didn't murder anyone, didn't covet my neighbors wife, take the lords name in vain or steal. This nasty Christian preoccupation with all things sin, as well as guilt too, needs clarification.. gracias!" - Bufftrev1

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Your most-convenient resource would probably be The 700 Club. Pat Robertson insists he talks to "God", all-the-time, and he's MORE-than-happy to point-out everyone (else's) sins!!

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MrShaman

Jan-28-13 9:21 AM

"Don’t you see how wonderfully kind, TOLERANT, and patient God is with you? Does this mean nothing to you? Can’t you see that his kindness is intended to turn you from your sin? But because you are stubborn and refuse to turn from your sin, you are storing up terrible punishment for yourself. For a day of anger is coming, when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed."-- Rom 2:4-5 NLT - ToTEXASfromPA

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Yes...that's all very amusing/entertaining/dramatic....but, it still sounds like BS, to me.

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MrShaman

Jan-28-13 9:15 AM

"The problem is that you liberals equate sticking to our moral convictions and not accepting certain alternate lifestyles as being intolerant." - mikekerstetter

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Not at all! It's when you insist upon the right to LEGISLATE your "beliefs" that the problems arise!

You're free to believe in all the "absolutes" you desire. The REST-of-us prefer THINKING our way thru various situations.

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MrShaman

Jan-28-13 9:06 AM

"I would like to get back to the content of Pastor Waltz's letter. He states his case very well and given more space, I have no doubt he could do even better. His critique of "The Real Sinners" letter is spot on and even if you don't agree with the Pastor's religious beliefs, there is some good information that can be gained by an unprejudiced reading of his letter. I don't expect the hard-core God haters here to suddenly convert..." - enigma

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So, which "unprejudiced" person do you get, to do your reading, for you??

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