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Hollywood says no

January 31, 2013

When I went to school from 1946-1958, people had guns in the home, they hunted whatever. People carried pocket knives in their pocket in school whenever....

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bryan48

Jan-31-13 1:21 AM

In 63%;of violent crimes hand guns are the weapon of choice. 38% of which are registered to the owner. You cannot prevent all crime regardless, but not making common sense procedures you are merely enabling crime. People lose track of common sense on this topic because politicians know most will toe the party line and are for either no restrictions or an all out ban. Truth is some unarmed societies are safer, some are not. Guns really do kill, that is their sole function and why they we need to be honest about all of these things and be responsible as a society. With over medication and a rise in the elderly population, keeping common sense controls is necessary to reduce avoidable situations.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-31-13 5:46 AM

I think that if we return public hangings for convicted that the murder rate would decrease.

With Chicago's high rate, they would be a good place to start.

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rick424

Jan-31-13 7:02 AM

Speaking of registering to vote, what ever happened to picture IDs for voting the right was so hyped up about BEFORE the election they lost.

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CHayes

Jan-31-13 7:39 AM

"No one thought of shooting in school or shooting another person."

There were no gun murders in the 40's or 50's in the US? You sure about that? As for school shootings:

-May 6, 1940: South Pasadena, California. After being removed as principal of South Pasadena Junior High School, Vieling Spencer shot six school officials, killing five, before attempting to commit suicide by shooting himself in the neck

-May 23, 1940: New York City, New York Infuriated by a grievance, Matthew Gillespie, 62-year-old janitor at the Dwight School for Girls, shot and critically wounded Mrs. Marshall Coxe, secretary of the junior school.

-July 4, 1940: Valhalla, New York Angered by the refusal of his daughter, Melba, 15, to leave a boarding school and return to his home, Joseph Moshell, 47, visited the school and shot and killed the girl.

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CHayes

Jan-31-13 7:40 AM

-September 12, 1940: Uniontown, Pennsylvania, 29-year-old teacher Carolyn Dellamea is shot to death inside her third grade classroom by 35-year-old William Kuhns. Kuhns then shot himself in the chest in a failed suicide attempt. Kuhns had reportedly been courting Dellamea for over a year but the relationship was ended when Dellamea discovered that Kuhns was already married

-October 2, 1942: New York City, New York Irwin Goodman, 36-year-old mathematics teacher at William J. Gaynor Junior High School, was shot and killed in the school corridor by a youth

-February 23, 1943: Port Chester, New York Harry Wyman, 13, shot himself dead at the Harvey School, a boys’ preparatory school

-June 26, 1946: Brooklyn, New York A 15-year-old schoolboy who balked at turning over his pocket money to a gang of seven youths was shot in the chest in the basement of the Public School 147 annex of the Brooklyn High School for Automotive Trades

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CHayes

Jan-31-13 7:42 AM

-November 24, 1946: New York City A 13-year-old student at St. Benedict’s Parochial School, shot and fatally wounded himself while sitting in an audience watching a school play

-February 5, 1947: Madill, Oklahoma 1st grade teacher Jessie Laird, 40, was shot to death in her classroom, during recess by her estranged husband, Ellis Laird, 62. Laird then fatally shot himself

-December 1, 1947: Bala Cynwyd, Pennsylvania Donald Peabody Sargent, 14, shot himself to death in his junior high school classroom

-December 24, 1948: New York City, New York A 14-year-old boy was fatally wounded by a shot from the .22-caliber rifle of a fellow student Robert Ross, 17. The youth was accidentley shot in the head when he chanced into range where Ross was target shooting near a lake on the school property

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CHayes

Jan-31-13 7:45 AM

-March 11, 1949: New York City, New York A 16-year-old student at Stuyvesant High School was accidentally shot in the arm by a fellow student who was ‘showing off’ with a pistol in a classroom

-November 13, 1949: Columbus, Ohio Ohio State University freshman James Heer grabbed a .45 caliber handgun from the room of a Delta Tau Delta fraternity brother and shot and killed his fraternity brother Jack McKeown, 21, an Ohio State senior

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OK, that's the 40's, shall we do the 50's? There are twice as many. Or should we instead stipulate that the letter writer was incorrect in his assertion that there were no school shootings or gun homicides in the 40's or 50's?

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rick424

Jan-31-13 7:58 AM

Old people seem to have selective memories. When I watched "Blackboard Jungle" I seem to see a different picture of the fifties. When I see what Mr. Hayes posted and read about all the stabbings during that period of time I guess the letter writer just forgot about reality. I seem to remember knives were not allowed in school (58-64) and if you had one you took a trip to see Mr. Phillips at Cochran.

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CHayes

Jan-31-13 8:13 AM

Actually Rick, my list is only shootings, and doesn't include stabbings. It's probably fair to assume there were more stabbings than shootings.

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rick424

Jan-31-13 8:15 AM

Sorry MrHayes, my bad.

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CHayes

Jan-31-13 8:25 AM

Hey Rick, I wonder where Phil is? He's overdue for accusing us of "magical thinking".

Check this out:

"The earliest known United States shooting to happen on school property was the Pontiac's Rebellion school massacre on July 26, 1764, where four Lenape American Indians entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed nine or ten children (reports vary). Only three children survived."

There are also school shootings listed from the 1850's to the present. So much for the idea that there didn't used to be school shootings.

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MrShaman

Jan-31-13 8:29 AM

"Now we have movies, TV shows and video games that show multiple shootings and killing of people, as well as explicit blood and guts.

That is the difference from then until now. All Hollywood says is no.

What do you think?" - Charles Cowher

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...BESIDES the fact you're an (obvious) anti-Capitalist??

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nobud74

Jan-31-13 8:29 AM

Chris, of course there were shootings prior to the "new age" but many choose to look at the past through rose colored glasses. The reality is that we know of the shootings today in real time, not a day or two later in the paper. Today it's on TV 24/7 and that fuels the move to ban guns. Cronkite said there was not enough news to support cable news, he was right and we now have talking heads spouting their opinions and the public is not smart enough to understand that it isn't fact or news.

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MrShaman

Jan-31-13 8:33 AM

"I think that if we return public hangings for convicted that the murder rate would decrease." - ToTEXASfromPA

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Sorry. You "conservatives" are NOT entitled to publicly-financed entertainment-events.

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MrShaman

Jan-31-13 8:37 AM

CHayes Jan-31-13 7:45 AM Agree | Disagree

-March 11, 1949: New York City, New York A 16-year-old student at Stuyvesant High School was accidentally shot in the arm by a fellow student who was ‘showing off’ with a pistol in a classroom

-November 13, 1949: Columbus, Ohio Ohio State University freshman James Heer grabbed a .45 caliber handgun from the room of a Delta Tau Delta fraternity brother and shot and killed his fraternity brother Jack McKeown, 21, an Ohio State senior "OK, that's the 40's, shall we do the 50's? There are twice as many. Or should we instead stipulate that the letter writer was incorrect in his assertion that there were no school shootings or gun homicides in the 40's or 50's?" - CHayes

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An admission, like that, is as likely as Porky Limbaugh admitting HE makes-up HIS "facts"/"absolutes".

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CMReeder

Jan-31-13 8:56 AM

It is not just cable news nobud. It is the easily accessed information highway. Everyone thinks they have facts because they have access and have reliable sources.

The Iraq War the news media was there before the troops crossed into Iraq and then they were there every step of the way.

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CMReeder

Jan-31-13 9:00 AM

Sorry stories about scool shootings or killings did not make front page news. It was indelicate to do so. In order to read about those stories you have to purchase papers or as the trade called them 'rags' that dealt specifically with crime. There was a quite a few of them back then.

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DavidBross

Jan-31-13 9:12 AM

Texas, I gather that you support capital punishment. What about people who are executed for crimes they did not commit? Isn't that reason enough not to execute anyone?

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JohnZook

Jan-31-13 9:27 AM

Texas- Our judicial system is the best in the world but not perfect. The accused is given a trial and judged by a jury of their peers. It's not like they go before a judge and convicted then. As much as it hurts to say this, the accused life rests in the hands of a lawyer!! Maybe Cuba would be better for you.......

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enigma

Jan-31-13 9:47 AM

The letter is an over-simplification of the problem of violence in the society, but he is correct that the increasing violence and especially realistic, graphic violence has a deleterious affect, especially on the young. This will never be addressed because Hollywood has a much tigher grip on politicians than the NRA ever could.

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CMReeder

Jan-31-13 9:52 AM

"This will never be addressed because Hollywood has a much tigher grip on politicians than the NRA ever could."

Considering how the republicans place a former actor in the WH you would be right enigma. LOL

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enigma

Jan-31-13 9:54 AM

Ref: CHayes post from 8:25:

Who would have thought that the Lenape Indians would have had AR15s back in 1764. They must have because everybody knows that you can't have a school massacre without them.

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CHayes

Jan-31-13 12:05 PM

" everybody knows that you can't have a school massacre without them"

Drive.a lot of screws with hammers do you then? Wonder how many you could drive in a day with a screwdriver, or cordless drill?

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nobud74

Jan-31-13 2:43 PM

Enigma, that's funny!

I find it amusing that hollywood idiots like to shoot shoot 'em up movies and then turn around and tell us we shouldn't have guns. You just can't make it up.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-31-13 7:22 PM

"I gather that you support capital punishment. What about people who are executed for crimes they did not commit? Isn't that reason enough not to execute anyone?"-DavidBross

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God has "written" morals into the hearts of mankind. God has established kings, judges and governments to govern the peoples and utilize systems of law and justice. Without these, we would be a lawless and unjust society and continue to become more so. Capital punishment is not to be taken lightly; it is an extreme form of justice that should only be used for the most egregious injustices and have high standards of evidence and testimony. It is a deterrent to others that don't hold life in high regard.

Even with this being said, there could be (and have been) times when people are executed when they were innocent. Our assurance is that God is the final judge and knows our heart; He will determine our eternal destiny.

As an example, God, the Father, allowed government to judge and

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