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Outlaws and guns

February 1, 2013

In response to Mr. Ebner’s comment in the Jan. 18 issue, the confiscation of firearms from the American public will never transpire....

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CMReeder

Feb-03-13 9:53 AM

My guess Francine is that you had the pro gun people with you until your last statement. Your last statement gave you your 'disagrees' at 13.

You will never know why people disagree or agree a lot of them don't post.

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JerryfromRI

Feb-03-13 8:28 AM

@Francine

"I'm hoping against hope that I put forth an opinion that infuriates both sides since I'm on neither one."

I hold in my hand a device which at any time can access the totality of human knowledge. I used it to look at funny pictures of cats and to argue with strangers.

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Class144

Feb-02-13 6:28 PM

"Yes, poodle shooter, but never mind there." <<<there? Did you mean to say them? or that? Well that's not good basic "grammatical" skill is it."

Yell me, Bubba. Was I using 'there' as a pronoun, noun, or adjective? Please, provide some more erudite commentary that will leave us feeling like puerile benefactors of your knowledge and experiences. Especially as it pertains to firefights.

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BubbaZanetti

Feb-02-13 5:12 PM

Class: "Bubba? You are certainly serving your name well. Perhaps you would be better served to work on basic grammatical skills. Yes, poodle shooter, but never mind there." <<<there? Did you mean to say them? or that? Well that's not good basic "grammatical" skill is it? Yeah we both mistype words once in a while. Big deal. I know what you meant. At least I didn't insult you.

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CHayes

Feb-02-13 4:09 PM

" Does anyone really think at that time the 2nd. amendment would exclude the citizens the Right to bare arms and to defend themselves from any Tyrannical Government"

[Raising hand]

I do. he first thing you have to understand, is at the time if the drafting of the Second Amendment there was no standing army, and the entire country was protected by "well regulated militias", that were comprised of guys that brought their own guns to the party.

Second, the amendment CLEARLY states that the reason it exists, is for the PROTECTION, of the "free state" (the US), not its overthrow. If you have any doubt that the founders knew how to deal with seditious individuals, take a look at how Washington handled the Whiskey Rebellion.

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JerryfromRI

Feb-02-13 12:23 PM

Is there the real world difference between living under a tyrannical government and under the will of a tyrannical political action committee.

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Fredzz

Feb-02-13 11:41 AM

bryan48 Partial Quote:

I also do not believe the document meant to defend Americans from a tyrannical American government.

End Quote

Let's try some uncommon common sense.

What big event had occurred just before the Constitution & Bill of Rights were written and signed into Law of the land...??

Yep, that's right, the Founding Fathers had just freed themselves from a Tyrannical Government from across the Pond.

Does anyone really think at that time the 2nd. amendment would exclude the citizens the Right to bare arms and to defend themselves from any Tyrannical Government ..!

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bryan48

Feb-02-13 9:29 AM

I am fully literate and do comprehend the document. My interpretation simply falls in line with former conservative SCJ Warren Burger. Even as a gun owner, I do not believe it implies personal ownership for every man, woman, and child. It has become an assumed right that we all feel entitled to, but don't I believe I am part of a well organized militia. I also do not believe the document meant to defend Americans from a tyrannical American government. I am all for responsible ownership. I even agree that the mass murder scenarios would likely not decrease even if all guns were banned for personal use. I do believe limiting accidents and not selling to those with mental issues or those in a fit of rage infringes on my rights in any way.

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Class144

Feb-02-13 8:54 AM

“Dang, we better restrict the Armed Forces to 10 rounds in a magazine then. You obviously prove they themselves do not need 30 in a "poodle shooter". I never realized everybody has a platton to the left and right at all times.”

Bubba? You are certainly serving your name well. Perhaps you would be better served to work on basic grammatical skills. Then you could attempt to make sense in your rebuttals, or lack there of. Yes, poodle shooter, but never mind there. In the meantime why don’t you read up on CQB and small-unit tactics. I said operators on either side. A platoon usually moves as a whole in synchronized movements. And I never said anything about clip size. Again, take a deep breath and read what I wrote. This is the real world I’m talking about and professional operators don’t get ‘bad feelings’ just because they have to change a clip in a weapon during a firefight. Maybe you should get out of Lycoming County and stop reading Soldier of Fortune.

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CHayes

Feb-02-13 8:53 AM

" Adam Lanza, the POS shot himself before police had the chance to shoot at him."

And the Colymbine dimwits? You understand Newtown wasn't anything like the only school shooting in US history, right? It wasn't even the moat recent. There have been about 8 since then.

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BubbaZanetti

Feb-02-13 7:14 AM

CHayes "Safe to say that also goes for a guy murdering a bunch of children execution style, while police are shooting at him?" If you are refering to Adam Lanza, the POS shot himself before police had the chance to shoot at him.

See: Lanza shot himself when he heard police

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CHayes

Feb-02-13 7:08 AM

"Dang, we better restrict the Armed Forces to 10 rounds in a magazine then."

Negative, haven't you read the Constitution? The US Armed Forces are a "well regulated militia". What's the name of the well regulated militia you belong to, and who gives you your orders?

Are you a member of the Rush Limbaugh Pilondial Cyst Brigade, or the Ted Nugent I Crapped In My Pants to Dodge the Draft Battalion?

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BubbaZanetti

Feb-02-13 6:48 AM

Class: "During a firefight, your platoon does not experience a cadre of empty weapons simultaneously" Dang, we better restrict the Armed Forces to 10 rounds in a magazine then. You obviously prove they themselves do not need 30 in a "poodle shooter". I never realized everybody has a platton to the left and right at all times.

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Class144

Feb-01-13 11:16 PM

"Ask anybody was is under extreme stress in a fire fight. It's a very bad feeling when your weapon is empty and they are still shooting at you."

Have you ever considered that you don't have 'bad feeling's' when engaged in a firefight? Instead you simply react to what the situation dictates? This, of course, comes from countless hours of training. During a firefight, your platoon does not experience a cadre of empty weapons simultaneously. So in the second or so your poodle shooter is empty, that's when you know operators to the left and right have got you %$# covered, even if you are a sorry SOB when they let you meet their younger sisters. Or so I've heard.

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CHayes

Feb-01-13 9:52 PM

I have to say after listening to enigma, I'd be satisfied to straight up repeal the Second Amendment. Gone, done, outdated.

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CHayes

Feb-01-13 9:50 PM

"Every second counts especially when there are multiple threats."

Safe to say that also goes for a guy murdering a bunch of children execution style, while police are shooting at him?

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JerryfromRI

Feb-01-13 9:00 PM

@enigma

How is it hypocrisy to simply not agree with you?

Myself, and I point out a majority of Americans, simply do not agree with you that having any firearm regulation at all is in itself a violation of the Second Amendment.

You're entitled to you opinion Sir, I expect the the same consideration in return.

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DavidBross

Feb-01-13 8:59 PM

According to the Constitution, The power of the Supreme Court is as follows: "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution," So, it seems to me that rulings of the Court are in fact of the same significance and influence as the Constitution itself. I say this knowing that the Court can and does change its mind. But, whatever the most recent ruling on a particular issue is, that is the Constitutionally supported law of the land.

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BubbaZanetti

Feb-01-13 7:38 PM

Plus, I have to admit that when I first read the title, I thought it was going to be about another idea the mayor had in dealing with the Outlaws hockey team.

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BubbaZanetti

Feb-01-13 7:08 PM

Answer to predicted question: "OMG who is going to attack you when you say multiple threats Bubba?" Well, maybe 3 BGs with semi-auto handguns. I'd still want the AR with 30 rounds in the magazine as a defense weapon in that situation. Heck, even if three Bloods were storming my house (got the wrong address) with machetes, I'd still use the best weapon I have and that's the AR-15 rifle.

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BubbaZanetti

Feb-01-13 7:02 PM

Spike: "How long do you think it takes to change a clip?" Ask anybody was is under extreme stress in a fire fight. It's a very bad feeling when your weapon is empty and they are still shooting at you. Every second counts especially when there are multiple threats.

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CarlHiller

Feb-01-13 6:40 PM

The Preamble to the Bill of Rights pretty much states the obvious intent - "THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction" (An inaccurate explanation, interpretation, or report) "or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory" (declaring a legal right or interpretation) "and restrictive" (prohibiting further negotiation) "clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution." I would say that there is no wiggle room for what the Bill of Rights states. A right is a right and cannot be restricted. A grant of a privilege can be.

bryan48 - It's a shame you do not comprehend what you read or maybe is it you have never read nor studied the founding docs.

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enigma

Feb-01-13 6:21 PM

JerryfromRI,"Debating this with you is pointless."

said the man caught in his hypocrisy.

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JerryfromRI

Feb-01-13 5:15 PM

@enigma

Debating this with you is pointless.

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enigma

Feb-01-13 4:54 PM

JerryfromRI,"And I do support the Second amendment, I just don't share your opinion that any firearm regulation is an infringement."

Webster defined infringement: an encroachment or trespass on a right or privilege

What's more as an example they use this statement,"any government action limiting freedom of speech is an infringement of the U.S. Constitution"

Wouldn't it follow then that any government action limiting the freedom to keep and bear arms is an infringement of the U.S. Constitution?

It would be like, any federal government action limiting the rights of the individual states is an infringement of the U.S. Costitution.

Again I ask, why you don't support the Second Amendment?

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