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February 1, 2013

Appreciated your articles on the gun argument. I have been in the gun business for many years and can put some light on the subject....

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spike2

Feb-02-13 1:59 PM

Geez Enigma, you might want to take a look at the actual video of the Robert Leone beating. feel free everyone. You can read about it or watch it on You Tube. The camera was in the cruiser. C'mon Enigma, beating out confessions, violating rights, stealing money from drug dealers, extended interrogations, you know, Suppression Hearings, never happens here does it. You aren't really an Enigma. Writing styles do not change.

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CMReeder

Feb-02-13 10:01 AM

The Second Amendment is not an absolute right. The Supreme has ruled many times that the government can regulate what arms a citizen of the US can possess. You keep overlooking the term 'well regulated militia'.

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CMReeder

Feb-02-13 9:55 AM

Sorry enigma the Second Amendment supporters use emotion over reason every time. They are extremely emotional.

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CMReeder

Feb-02-13 9:52 AM

"Go ahead and send em a list of all your stuff, Chuck."

Truthfully what make you think I have to, they know more about us than we do.

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CHayes

Feb-01-13 9:40 PM

"wwhickok,"I also think that authorities SHOULD have the right to know how many firearms are in a household."

What other things does the government have the right to know about in your home"

Probably just the things that you could shoot, or blow up a police officer with will do. I think the police are well equipped to handle someone charging at them with the hammer so many on the right think is so deadly. Someone sniping them from a window, not so much.

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gavinf56

Feb-01-13 7:29 PM

"If you don't want the government to know what types of guns you have, maybe it's because you've got something to hide." - wwhickok

That very same argument can be made about the Government illegally monitoring our electronic communications.

Oohhh, the slippery slop that kind of attitude provides. I am glad 1/3 of the people have more logic than that.

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philunderwood

Feb-01-13 6:12 PM

A private citizen possessing any sort of weapon or material that would present a danger to others, due to the fact that handling or storing them safely wouldn’t be possible, should be illegal.

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enigma

Feb-01-13 3:38 PM

Those of you who get crazy when I say that the Second Amendment allows people to own any weapon are acting out of emotion not reason. That is exactly what it says. It would be perfectly reasonable to amend it to say that private citizens could not own certain weapons such as, nuclear weapons, fighter aircraft, etc. I don't think that we need nuclear weapons to stop an out of control government. What I'm saying is that it should be done the right way. If we allow the government to make that decision without an amendment, then we give them the power to limit all of our rights. We can't violate the Constitution because it seems like a reasonable thing to do. If it is reasonable,we should change it. Some say that the founders could not have imagined the weapons we now have. They knew that they could not forsee everything and that's why they gave us the amendment process. That is the only legal way to alter it.

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enigma

Feb-01-13 3:28 PM

wwhickok,"KNOWING the situation is absolutely to the police officers' benefit."

So would being allowed to beat a confession out of you, or to shoot first and ask questions later or any number of things that our rights do not allow them. Your rights cannot be infringed to make the government's job easier. I know that the Supreme Court has approved the violation of some rights but that doesn't make it right. The Supreme Court also upheld slavery. Did that make it right? I do not approve of warrantless searches of any kind, or limitations of free speech or limitations of the weapons a person can own. I am the one who is being consistent here. I want everyone to have all of the rights guaranteed in the Constitution. If you don't like the Second Amendment, change it the right way. If you can change or repeal it, I will have only opinion on my side, but for now I have the Constitution.

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Josh84

Feb-01-13 3:00 PM

wwhickok Feb-01-13 1:17 PM***"Today people are b***hing and whining about suggestions that would not ban more guns but simply take extra steps at precautions."

This is just not true. Example, NY States new 7 Round capacity on magazines has effectively made hundreds of makes and models of Semi-automatic handguns illegal. It has done so due to the fact that manufactures do not produce 7 round mags. It is illegal for the owner to simply only load 7 rounds in a higher capacity magazine.

In one year from now when the deadline to sell all the older higher capacity magazines out of state expires, all of these handguns will be rendered essentially illegal to use(theoretically, I assume this law will fall to a court challenge).

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wwhickok

Feb-01-13 1:21 PM

If you don't want the government to know what types of guns you have, maybe it's because you've got something to hide.

Btw, the last 1/3, are those of us you speak with a bit of logic and common ground and actually try to look at it from both sides of the debate..there's very few of us.

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wwhickok

Feb-01-13 1:20 PM

Frankly, with all due respect, I think that 1/3 the people involved in the gun control debate speak from a stance of selfishness, 1/3 speaks from a stance of ignorance, and the other 1/3 will never been paid any attention by the other 2/3's.

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wwhickok

Feb-01-13 1:18 PM

should have all available weaponry?

"shouldn't any law abiding citizen be permitted to have the most modern and powerful weapons available?"

Oh yea..that's the answer right there, start allowing people to buy tanks, rocket launchers, M60's, etc. etc.

Give me a break dude..

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wwhickok

Feb-01-13 1:17 PM

With all due respect enigma, I don't care if you were a former President of the United States. I believe you're wrong and we'll just have to agree to absolutely, 100%, disagree as much as any two people can.

First of all, obviously a smart police officer would not assume such ignorance, however at the same time, KNOWING the situation is absolutely to the police officers' benefit. Secondly, and more importantly, for people like you enigma, I think this issue is a lot less 'about your freedoms' and a lot more about being allowed to feel the 'manhood' against your trigger finger. Seriously, yesterday everyone ripped apart the 23 Executive Orders that did not include additional gun bans. Today people are b***hing and whining about suggestions that would not ban more guns but simply take extra steps at precautions. But what do people seem to really care about? About being able to come out guns blazing when the **** hits the fan.

Was it not you Enigma that suggested civilians

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SteelerFan

Feb-01-13 1:14 PM

L*M*A*O

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SteelerFan

Feb-01-13 1:13 PM

Go ahead and send em a list of all your stuff, Chuck. ****

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CMReeder

Feb-01-13 12:42 PM

"There is no good reason for the government to have a list of anything you own."

That is how little you know then.

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CMReeder

Feb-01-13 12:38 PM

"IMO, the “they’re going to take away our guns,” smacks of paranoia at this point of time and in the foreseeable future."

What else is new?

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CMReeder

Feb-01-13 12:36 PM

"You gotta be kidding me Rick. All a person has to do is disagree with the left and they get all nasty. Grow up!!"

Nothing nasty about that Rick! LOL

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enigma

Feb-01-13 12:08 PM

wwhickok,"I also think that authorities SHOULD have the right to know how many firearms are in a household."

What other things does the government have the right to know about in your home. The Constitution says you are wrong. Having been in law enforcement, I can tell you that the police are cautious whenever they enter a home. Do you think that they would assume that there are no guns in a home just because none are registered. I hope they would not and I know they should not. There is no good reason for the government to have a list of anything you own.

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wwhickok

Feb-01-13 10:58 AM

Enigma - "The reason is, that the background check is a back door registration. The federal govenment knows that you have purchased a certain number of weapons by the number of background checks done. They know where you bought them and when. They are then all set for confiscation when the time comes."

I agreed with you right up until this point. I'm not saying that it's completely untrue, what you said, but at the same time, I also think that authorities SHOULD have the right to know how many firearms are in a household. In the event, however unlikely it may be, authorities have to approach or enter a premises, this allows them to be aware of what potential dangers they are facing.

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philunderwood

Feb-01-13 10:49 AM

IMO, the “they’re going to take away our guns,” smacks of paranoia at this point of time and in the foreseeable future.

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CHayes

Feb-01-13 10:45 AM

If there are so many members of the NRA that support universal background checks, I think it would be great if they would communicate that to the NRAs main office, because clearly they don't agree with you.

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Josh84

Feb-01-13 10:36 AM

philunderwood Feb-01-13 10:11 AM****"It shouldn’t be much worse than obtaining a driver’s license."

As long as it isn't a requirement to vote, the left should be all for this.(sarc)

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Josh84

Feb-01-13 10:33 AM

@Enigma, the State also likes the 2$ it recieves from every PICS transaction, on top of the $3 surcharge on firearm purchases.

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