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A travesty

February 3, 2013

The gun violence taking place in this nation, and in our own local communities, is a travest....

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nobud74

Feb-05-13 8:21 AM

I find the gun debate to be much like the budget/national debt debate. There has not been one person in favor of more gun legislation and control who can definitively prove that by restricting my liberties anyone will be safer and that criminals will have no access to banned weapons. In the budget/national debt debate I have not heard one person in favor of continued unchecked spending, printing of money and borrowing to finance our whims explain why it is okay to burden future generations for our laziness and greed. Perhaps if those in favor of such things could articulate a reasoned response, they would be taken seriously.

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CMReeder

Feb-05-13 12:29 AM

Sorry Mr. Zook members of the right slander those with a differnet mindset, you chose not to see it. You hate liberals.

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JohnZook

Feb-04-13 10:23 PM

The only hate I hear is when I read you Libs slandering people with a different mindset than yours. You may be happy with this President, but I didn't grow up in a Socialist America and maybe I'll die in one but I'll do everything I can to preserve the greatness of my country. Then I read that Toomey voted to send jets and tanks to an unstable country run by Islamic terrorists. You can't trust the government. No Hate Here.

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CMReeder

Feb-04-13 12:57 PM

First Mr. Hickok it is bans on certian types of guns. There are members of the NRA who have stepped forward and agree that certian weapons(guns) should not be for the general public. The fear is that it would lead to a total ban of guns. Therefore it is unsoundly reasoned that any ban is not good. Why is it wrong to ban the most dangerous of these guns? The common argument is that a ban on the most dangerous puts the law abiding in harms way. The easy availability of them still places the law abiding in harms way.

The Constituion does not allow an all out ban of guns or weapons. It does not state that any and all should be available to the public either. Is one interested in the protection of self and family or the protection of gun industry and their profits?

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Josh84

Feb-04-13 12:32 PM

LTE-"These weapons known as assault weapons are not used in hunting; because they are too violent for the sport of hunting."

This is the most comical statement I have read today.

First of all These "weapons known as assault weapons" are extensively used for hunting. They are quite popular within the sport and are used heavily in most states, PA excluded.

Second, "because they are too violent for the sport of hunting." WHAT...are you serious?

You're right, we only used the less lethal firearms for hunting. Wouldn't want to hurt our prey!

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CMReeder

Feb-04-13 12:24 PM

You certainly have a lot of hate in you Mr. Zook.

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wwhickok

Feb-04-13 8:22 AM

If someone can give me a logical, unflawed, and unselfish answer to my question, perhaps I and other people will stop and think about it. But I honestly don't believe there is anyone out there that can.

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wwhickok

Feb-04-13 8:20 AM

Over the last several weeks I've listend to several different types of opinions and I've changed my own views on certain things.

I am 100% in favor and support of the 23 Executive Orders, I feel they really address the REAL issues and don't target more bans. I don't believe more bans are going to help and I believe that being more aggressive in targetting known criminals/criminal elements is needed.

But here's the real question, I have for NON-NRA Members, NON-2nd Amendment Supports/Anti-Gun Ban Individuals.

What would more gun bans accomplish? What do you HONESTLY believe would be the Pro in banning guns? How would that solve the current crime issues in the U.S. related to guns? (I get that NRA and Pro Second Amendment people will answer this, but it truly is meant for those who support gun bans)

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wwhickok

Feb-04-13 8:17 AM

I'm curious if when you wrote this letter, you thought you were going to get any positive responses?

Mike, the point that people are attempting to make, but just not doing so very well is that they are advocating for bans on 'assault-like' weapons. What determines an assault-like weapon? My best guess is anything that looks like one pretty much somes it up.

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Garben78

Feb-04-13 8:08 AM

Glad you got all the answers billy now go to Washington and get swallowed up in all the lefty wingy circle jerking we can't enforce the laws we have cluster

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CHayes

Feb-03-13 6:46 PM

Maybe if you can answer the following question, it will help starughten things out. Simple yes or no will do.

If you hear someone say, that someone "played golf all day", do you think that it literally means they left before the sun came up, and didn't return till after dark?

Or maybe you can straighten this out by providing your source for this ridiculous claim, Si we can all see that nobody at all is talking about the picture being faked.

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CHayes

Feb-03-13 6:42 PM

" Hughes, the site is Reuters News. There is an obvious discrepency and no "official" explanation when the WH was questioned about the discrepancy."

Please twinder, I'm still not seeing ANY discrepancy, unless its your stated position, that it is unless its your position that its impossible for a human to participate in two activities in a single day.

If you don't think its possible that a photograph showed exactly what it shows, then you're saying the picture is fake. Period. If not, what exactly are you trying to say? Please explain.

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twinder

Feb-03-13 5:36 PM

Also, if you had any reading comprehension skills, you'll re-read the thread and see that I never said the photo was faked. Don't worry, I won't hold my breath waiting for you to admit you were wrong by accusing me of saying this.

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twinder

Feb-03-13 5:34 PM

Hughes, the site is Reuters News. There is an obvious discrepency and no "official" explanation when the WH was questioned about the discrepancy. Why is it that you feel the need to attack people on here? Two photos are presented that are supposed to be of the same man at the same time, but in two different places, doing two different things, and no one can provide the reason for the discprencies. Not even you.

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CHayes

Feb-03-13 3:43 PM

Could it be twinder that you can't possibly imagine carrying out two activities in a single day?

Hey twinder, it would seem that you read something on a website that only a moron would believe, and you believed it. Can you possibly explain that to me?

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CHayes

Feb-03-13 3:23 PM

" Exactly my point Hughes, you can't explain it. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's a simple questioning of the story. Reuters reports that he was golfing, according to his official schedule for the day, when the White House reports that the President was skeet shooting"

Not a conspiracy theory? Let's evaluate that. Your saying a photo was faked, which would take more than one person unless the President took the picture of himself and photoshopped it himself,.and it was released to an unsuspecting public to trick them, and all of this was done in secret.

Secret-check

More than one person-check

Evil motives-check

And your standing by your story that if someone goes golfing "all day", that means from before the sun rises till after it sets on one of the longer days of the year?

Why should I have to explain anything again? A fourth grader could have sleuthed this one out.

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CHayes

Feb-03-13 3:12 PM

" Still haven't heard what's so evil about the NRA."

I believe I can help you with that. Any group that operates like they stand to benefit if every person in America, including criminals, the mentally deranged, and even potential terrorists, runs out and starts buying guns, is nefarious in my view.

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CHayes

Feb-03-13 3:08 PM

Anymore theories as to why the photo is fake?

First it was gauge was too small. Not true.

Then aim was too low. Please visit the oregonskeetDOT com, and explain the man's aim on the front page.

Then it was photoshopped, and its true because someone said it on the web.

Then I found people on a wacko right wing sight claiming it was fake, because the President was wearing a different watch than he was in a different picture. Everyone knows people only own one watch at a time.

Then there's the single news article, that said the President was playing golf "all day", and didn't return to Camp David until "the evening" (really damming that one).

If I don't think a historian a hundred years in the future would believe this.

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JohnZook

Feb-03-13 3:00 PM

Just following the normal procession of hate on my 9:03 post. Lib/Progs hate the NRA= hate for Bush, (he lied you know)= also hate supporters of Bush (Rush Limbaugh and Fox News, (they lie too), and don't forget folks who cling to their guns and Bibles and hate anyone who looks different than they do. And lastly, everyone who hates the Presidents policies just because he's a white/ African American. i.e. see George Zimmerman, a white/Hispanic who murdered an African American youth, whose picture of the boy when he was 11 was used to instill hatred for white people an confirm George's guilt. No Hate Here.....

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mikekerstetter

Feb-03-13 2:54 PM

RollingWithHusky-"If gun owners profess to own guns for "protection" and defense of their families, then shouldn't the protection and well-being of our citizenry be defensible/a priority rather than which assault rifle or extended clip will be available?"

You must first consider that most of these mass murder suicides involve illegally possessed weapons. And then you have to realize that those bent on breaking the law don't care about your laws. Further, assault weapons are illegal to own. So what exactly do you want?

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twinder

Feb-03-13 2:45 PM

Exactly my point Hughes, you can't explain it. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's a simple questioning of the story. Reuters reports that he was golfing, according to his official schedule for the day, when the White House reports that the President was skeet shooting. Who's not telling the truth a "gasp" respected news outlet, or the White House. And, if either one is lying or misrepresenting the facts of the matter, it begs the question; Why?

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JohnZook

Feb-03-13 2:44 PM

Still haven't heard what's so evil about the NRA...Yes they have lobbyist...so do the Big Unions. But Wayne LaPierre wasn't one of the first visitors to the White House in '09, it was a union president; Mr. Trumpka, or was it Andy Stern. But then the NRA doesn't send out the Goon Squads to beat up Conservative African Americans either. No Hate Here......

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CHayes

Feb-03-13 2:42 PM

Don't like that? OK, maybe he went outside and shot skeet with a couple of the guys in his Secret Service detail, BEFORE he went to play golf?

No wait, don't tell me. Maybe the President never fired a gun in his life, and instead, sat around the Oval Office Photoshopping a picture of himself to release publucally to a world that includes both a great number of photography experts and conspiracy theorists.

I mean be honest now. Do you people really expect people to take you seriously? You say the STUPIDEST, most hair brained things.

It's incredible really.

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CHayes

Feb-03-13 2:39 PM

" Please explain how Reuters News has a story about the President spending the day golfing and not returning to Camp David until the evening to entertain guests. If he was actually skeet shooting, was it his double that was golfing?"

Wow! That's a tough one. Let's see, since I don't know any people that start golfing at 5 AM, and golf till after dark, and since "evening" is a general term, and since it gets dark pretty late in Aug,, my extra magic powers tell me that maybe the President went out and played golf in the day, then shot skeet with the guests he was entertaining, when he returned at, let's say, 5 in the "EVENING".

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mikekerstetter

Feb-03-13 1:56 PM

RollingWithHusky_"I fail to understand how the NRA, with only 4+ million members has such power and leverage when a majority of the country (including many members of the NRA) agree that serious comprehensive changes need to be made to gun regulations in this country."

1st, I don't believe that as many people as you claim want comprehensive changes, but one thing about NRA members, they vote.

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