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A travesty

February 3, 2013

The gun violence taking place in this nation, and in our own local communities, is a travest....

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mikekerstetter

Feb-03-13 5:06 AM

Hello Bill. What you, and the other anti-gun people fail to recognize is that assault weapons ARE banned in the US. Let's start with the truth and work from there.

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CHayes

Feb-03-13 7:19 AM

"Everybody agrees that, at the least, the 2nd amendment was deals with self defense"

That is not even close to true. I suggest you go and reread it, and this time keep in mind there was no standing army in the US, or even plans for a standing army. Our country was defended by a band of state militias whose members primarily brought their own guns.

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CHayes

Feb-03-13 7:20 AM

"And by the way, if that was really the President shooting skeet, then how come he was using such a small guage shotgun and why was it was pointed horizontally?"

Have you ever shot skeet? There is nothing at all unusual about someone shooting skeet with a 20 gauge shotgun. Why was the gun low? Because when you shoot skeet, the clays are launched from a variety of stations laid out in front of you, and are launched at a variety of heights and a variety of trajectories. I used to work with a guy that used to go shoot skeet every Tue night in season in Bloomsburg. He used to always say that for him, the toughest one was the low one that "looked like it was coming right at you". He said it was toughest because his impulse was to duck, rather than shoot.

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USABorn

Feb-03-13 7:39 AM

The photo of Obama shooting skeet was a big time fake. Check it out, it's on the web. In the original photo he had a golf club in hand. Perhaps that is why the gun isn't in quite the right position for skeet shooting.

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rick424

Feb-03-13 8:53 AM

"Check it out, it's on web."

So is the moon is made of green cheese.

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JohnZook

Feb-03-13 9:03 AM

Yep, It's the NRA's fault. And, Bush was an NRA member wasn't he? That's why Cheney shot that guy while "hunting"? And the Koch bros. are big supporters of both Bush/Cheney AND the NRA I'll bet. No hate here......

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CHayes

Feb-03-13 9:45 AM

" The photo of Obama shooting skeet was a big time fake. Check it out, it's on the web."

Oh yes, then clearly it must be true.

The mindset on display here is incredible, and the primary reason the Republican party is circling the drain.

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CHayes

Feb-03-13 9:57 AM

I actually saw people on a right wing site claim the picture was fake, and brace yourself for this... because the wristwatch the President is wearing, isn't the same one he was wearing in another picture.

And you say people that won't take you seriously are "elitists"?

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CMReeder

Feb-03-13 10:07 AM

No mention of Bush or Cheney or the Koch brothers. Someone's imagination has gotten ahead of him.

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twinder

Feb-03-13 11:05 AM

Please explain how Reuters News has a story about the President spending the day golfing and not returning to Camp David until the evening to entertain guests. If he was actually skeet shooting, was it his double that was golfing? Reuters is far from a right wing media outlet. Please explain this away Mr. Hughes as you seem to have all the answers to everything.

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rick424

Feb-03-13 11:55 AM

Oh boy, I see a conspiracy brewing. Did he shoot skeet or not. Is the photo real or not. Congressional hearings, witnesses from around the world, maybe even past presidents taking the stand. Even more ridiculousness from the right.

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spike2

Feb-03-13 12:09 PM

Good luck incarcerating everyone for 25 years or longer who uses a weapon in a criminal offense. You can't get folks to agree on gun control. Changing the sentencing code in every state and federally should take 50 years.

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RollingWithHusky

Feb-03-13 1:50 PM

I agree with the thought expressed by this letter. I also agree that such stiff penalties would be impossible to get enforced. I fail to understand how the NRA, with only 4+ million members has such power and leverage when a majority of the country (including many members of the NRA) agree that serious comprehensive changes need to be made to gun regulations in this country. If gun owners profess to own guns for "protection" and defense of their families, then shouldn't the protection and well-being of our citizenry be defensible/a priority rather than which assault rifle or extended clip will be available?

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mikekerstetter

Feb-03-13 1:56 PM

RollingWithHusky_"I fail to understand how the NRA, with only 4+ million members has such power and leverage when a majority of the country (including many members of the NRA) agree that serious comprehensive changes need to be made to gun regulations in this country."

1st, I don't believe that as many people as you claim want comprehensive changes, but one thing about NRA members, they vote.

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CHayes

Feb-03-13 2:39 PM

" Please explain how Reuters News has a story about the President spending the day golfing and not returning to Camp David until the evening to entertain guests. If he was actually skeet shooting, was it his double that was golfing?"

Wow! That's a tough one. Let's see, since I don't know any people that start golfing at 5 AM, and golf till after dark, and since "evening" is a general term, and since it gets dark pretty late in Aug,, my extra magic powers tell me that maybe the President went out and played golf in the day, then shot skeet with the guests he was entertaining, when he returned at, let's say, 5 in the "EVENING".

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CHayes

Feb-03-13 2:42 PM

Don't like that? OK, maybe he went outside and shot skeet with a couple of the guys in his Secret Service detail, BEFORE he went to play golf?

No wait, don't tell me. Maybe the President never fired a gun in his life, and instead, sat around the Oval Office Photoshopping a picture of himself to release publucally to a world that includes both a great number of photography experts and conspiracy theorists.

I mean be honest now. Do you people really expect people to take you seriously? You say the STUPIDEST, most hair brained things.

It's incredible really.

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JohnZook

Feb-03-13 2:44 PM

Still haven't heard what's so evil about the NRA...Yes they have lobbyist...so do the Big Unions. But Wayne LaPierre wasn't one of the first visitors to the White House in '09, it was a union president; Mr. Trumpka, or was it Andy Stern. But then the NRA doesn't send out the Goon Squads to beat up Conservative African Americans either. No Hate Here......

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twinder

Feb-03-13 2:45 PM

Exactly my point Hughes, you can't explain it. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's a simple questioning of the story. Reuters reports that he was golfing, according to his official schedule for the day, when the White House reports that the President was skeet shooting. Who's not telling the truth a "gasp" respected news outlet, or the White House. And, if either one is lying or misrepresenting the facts of the matter, it begs the question; Why?

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mikekerstetter

Feb-03-13 2:54 PM

RollingWithHusky-"If gun owners profess to own guns for "protection" and defense of their families, then shouldn't the protection and well-being of our citizenry be defensible/a priority rather than which assault rifle or extended clip will be available?"

You must first consider that most of these mass murder suicides involve illegally possessed weapons. And then you have to realize that those bent on breaking the law don't care about your laws. Further, assault weapons are illegal to own. So what exactly do you want?

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JohnZook

Feb-03-13 3:00 PM

Just following the normal procession of hate on my 9:03 post. Lib/Progs hate the NRA= hate for Bush, (he lied you know)= also hate supporters of Bush (Rush Limbaugh and Fox News, (they lie too), and don't forget folks who cling to their guns and Bibles and hate anyone who looks different than they do. And lastly, everyone who hates the Presidents policies just because he's a white/ African American. i.e. see George Zimmerman, a white/Hispanic who murdered an African American youth, whose picture of the boy when he was 11 was used to instill hatred for white people an confirm George's guilt. No Hate Here.....

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CHayes

Feb-03-13 3:08 PM

Anymore theories as to why the photo is fake?

First it was gauge was too small. Not true.

Then aim was too low. Please visit the oregonskeetDOT com, and explain the man's aim on the front page.

Then it was photoshopped, and its true because someone said it on the web.

Then I found people on a wacko right wing sight claiming it was fake, because the President was wearing a different watch than he was in a different picture. Everyone knows people only own one watch at a time.

Then there's the single news article, that said the President was playing golf "all day", and didn't return to Camp David until "the evening" (really damming that one).

If I don't think a historian a hundred years in the future would believe this.

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CHayes

Feb-03-13 3:12 PM

" Still haven't heard what's so evil about the NRA."

I believe I can help you with that. Any group that operates like they stand to benefit if every person in America, including criminals, the mentally deranged, and even potential terrorists, runs out and starts buying guns, is nefarious in my view.

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CHayes

Feb-03-13 3:23 PM

" Exactly my point Hughes, you can't explain it. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's a simple questioning of the story. Reuters reports that he was golfing, according to his official schedule for the day, when the White House reports that the President was skeet shooting"

Not a conspiracy theory? Let's evaluate that. Your saying a photo was faked, which would take more than one person unless the President took the picture of himself and photoshopped it himself,.and it was released to an unsuspecting public to trick them, and all of this was done in secret.

Secret-check

More than one person-check

Evil motives-check

And your standing by your story that if someone goes golfing "all day", that means from before the sun rises till after it sets on one of the longer days of the year?

Why should I have to explain anything again? A fourth grader could have sleuthed this one out.

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CHayes

Feb-03-13 3:43 PM

Could it be twinder that you can't possibly imagine carrying out two activities in a single day?

Hey twinder, it would seem that you read something on a website that only a moron would believe, and you believed it. Can you possibly explain that to me?

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twinder

Feb-03-13 5:34 PM

Hughes, the site is Reuters News. There is an obvious discrepency and no "official" explanation when the WH was questioned about the discrepancy. Why is it that you feel the need to attack people on here? Two photos are presented that are supposed to be of the same man at the same time, but in two different places, doing two different things, and no one can provide the reason for the discprencies. Not even you.

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