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Unreal

February 4, 2013

Ray Tyler's letter Jan. 27th does not seem to be compatible with reality.. The $16 trillion debt is not the consequence of social welfare and health care spending, as Tyler implies....

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Tedeaux

Feb-04-13 4:10 AM

I think you missed the point of the Federal hiring freeze, Richard. The point being that there are far too many government employees feeding off of the tax payers pay checks already. While it may seem that this gets folks off of unemployment, it does nothing for actually building the economy with sustaining businesses that actually turn out a product. In the real world, you dont go out and hire a new maid when your banker calls to let you know you're bouncing checks all over town!

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gavinf56

Feb-04-13 5:24 AM

Hmmm, one of those 2 wars has ended and the other will end shortly, yet the yearly budget deficit remains over $1 trillion. While the 2 wars were started and being fought under the previous President at much higher troop levels, the yearly budget deficits remained well under $1 trillion.

It's the defense budget and the wars. Drink!

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mikekerstetter

Feb-04-13 5:35 AM

1) I agree with the single payer health care system.

2) I don't have a problem with government employees. If you need them them to perform a job to serve the public, hire someone and pay them a living wage to do it. But hiring government employees just to give someone a job so you can collect taxes is absurd. Even a 5th grader can figure out that the Government is putting out way more than they are taking back in taxes.

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enigma

Feb-04-13 8:19 AM

"If he is against tax and spend liberals he should endorse more federal hiring to reduce the number of people on unemployment and welfare."

And who does he think pays for federal hiring? The cure for liberalism is more liberalism. Sounds like Richard is a government addict.

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SteelerFan

Feb-04-13 9:14 AM

Dick is correct that the Defense budget is a big chunk of the pie, but the entitlements are the biggest chunk and until we get them under control, the budget will be a problem. And hiring more government employees (with our tax dollars)so they can pay in more taxes? Huh???

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MrShaman

Feb-04-13 9:42 AM

"Although Obamacare has not really kicked in yet, it is true that small businesses stand to be negatively impacted by the program. However, the solution is really the single payer system, a system which Americans have been brainwashed to reject. I'm sounding like a "grass is always greener" person, yet most other modern countries have such a system and it reduces individual payment of all health care to zero for the average person." - Richard Sahn

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Keep your eye on Vermont!!!

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See:

Home :: Vermont for Single Payer

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Vermont could EASILY become a repeat of Saskatchewan!!!!!!!

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See:

The fight for medicare in Saskatchewan (YouTube)

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MrShaman

Feb-04-13 9:51 AM

"Dick is correct that the Defense budget is a big chunk of the pie, but the entitlements are the biggest chunk..." - SteelerFan

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Lemme guess...that's what "they say", right??????

Why is it you T-Baggers are so bereft of any (actual) numbers?????

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SteelerFan

Feb-04-13 10:04 AM

Defense spending is 18%, SS, unemployment, Medicare, etc, total 58%. Look it up.

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CMReeder

Feb-04-13 11:11 AM

Well you are not going to solve anything with all the finger pointing from both sides.

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mikekerstetter

Feb-04-13 1:30 PM

There was a bill proposed, I believe, 2 years ago in PA to have a single payer system in PA. It may be one of those things that is introduced annually and dies in committee. Is Vermont going to be any different?

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CarlHiller

Feb-04-13 1:51 PM

Total Federal Government Spending in the United States Fiscal Year 2013 Federal Pensions $0.9 trillion Federal Health Care + $0.9 trillion Federal Education + $0.1 trillion National Defense + $0.9 trillion Federal Welfare + $0.4 trillion All Other Spending + $0.5 trillion Total Federal Spending $3.8 trillion

Defense spending equals 24% of the budget True welfare accounts for 11% Pensions accounts for 23% Health Care accounts for 24% Education accounts for 4% Other spending accounts for 9% Interest on the debt is 7%

Shammy - If you'd like more precise figures let me know. I don't believe based on governmental accounting principles I can get to exact pennies though.

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philunderwood

Feb-04-13 2:20 PM

I’ll tax the ones that won’t vote for me and give it to the ones that will is the way the system works.

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CarlHiller

Feb-04-13 2:25 PM

CMReeder - I heartily agree, it's not one side or the other, it's both sides spending us into oblivion. We do have a spending problem, but we also have a revenue problem. I don't buy the Republican line totally that higher taxes on the wealthy will cause job losses, only because we have lowered their effective rates to virtually nil and that has done nothing to produce family sustaining employment. Today's American economy being driven by consumer demand, which is where the new jobs emerge, albeit at a lower wage than manufacturing provides. If growth is spurred in a sector that typically produces lower wage employment, tax revenues will always be less. Because the so-called job producers have shifted manufacturing overseas to countries who pay slave wages Government economic policy has to be very different in this economy. Fiscal policies that redistribute wealth upwards will not in any way fix the issues we are presented with today.

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nobud74

Feb-05-13 8:30 AM

isn't more federal hiring necessary to generate more taxes and investment, more purchasing?--Mr. Sahn

Are you serious? Here is a very quick lesson on how things work. Workers in the private sector pay taxes, those taxes are used by the govt in part to hire and pay for employees. The money that comes back from those employees in the form of taxes is not a gain, it is simply transferring the original tax money from one pot to another. So, the more govt workers we have the less tax revenue we have for actual projects and programs. I just can't understand why this concept is so hard for so many to grasp.

Try this simple test. Take 10 dimes from your left pocket, leave 4 on the table and put the remaining 6 in your right pocket, now try to buy that item with less money. Get it now?

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