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A culture problem

February 6, 2013

In response to Dr. Vosk's comments on the NRA....

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mikekerstetter

Feb-06-13 3:23 AM

"We do not have a gun problem in this country. We have a culture problem."

Very well put.

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Tedeaux

Feb-06-13 5:11 AM

To try to start understanding this "cultural" problem that we have here in the US, I suggest watching episodes of "The First 48". It doesn't take long to figure out there are reoccuring scenes surrounding a great number of the murders that happen in this country. Drugs, poor income and a culture of having no respect for human life. How do we fix it? I'd say, start with keeping your people away from the drug scene!

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JosephOtto

Feb-06-13 5:12 AM

"I think it would be a fine show of support if all the Feinstein/Biden supporters in the country would turn in their firearms as a gesture of compliance."

I haven't heard anyone from left, right or center call for the "turning in" (confiscation) of any weapon of any kind. Where did you get that idea?

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SteelerFan

Feb-06-13 8:29 AM

Tedeaux: "Drugs, poor income and a culture of having no respect for human life. How do we fix it? I'd say, start with keeping your people away from the drug scene!"

Tedeaux, I'm a little slow this morning. Can you explain the last sentence? Do you mean your family by 'your people'?

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MrShaman

Feb-06-13 8:51 AM

"In response to Dr. Vosk's comments on the NRA.

The firearms manufacturers support the NRA with big bucks?

Really?

Since it is their livelihood and employment (remember employment?) for quite a few folks, why wouldn't they support the folks who lobby for them?

If not for their support, who would lobby for MY right to keep MY firearms?" - John Haller

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I'm "fairly" certain Priority One, for the NRA/weapons-manufacturers', is that you BUY more firearms...and, if you can do a "little" business (outta the trunk o' your vehicle), better YET!!!

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CMReeder

Feb-06-13 8:58 AM

You are right, we have a gun culture problem!

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CHayes

Feb-06-13 9:01 AM

"We do not have a gun problem in this country. We have a culture problem. In closing, I think it would be a fine show of support if all the Feinstein/Biden supporters in the country would turn in their firearms as a gesture of compliance."

Actually, we have a gun culture problem. If you think about it, what a large portion of this debate has consisted of, a bunch of people screaming that they don't want the govt to take their weapons away (even though nobody has proposed taking anyone's weapons away), because they might need them to murder the very same people that they're afraid may vote to take their weapons away.

IOW, "don't you dare take my weapons away, because I may wake up next week and decide I need them to murder you."

It's insane really.

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CHayes

Feb-06-13 9:03 AM

"I haven't heard anyone from left, right or center call for the "turning in" (confiscation) of any weapon of any kind. Where did you get that idea?"

Do you really need to ask?

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CHayes

Feb-06-13 9:13 AM

"To try to start understanding this "cultural" problem that we have here in the US, I suggest watching episodes of "The First 48""

I watch it all the time, but I certainly don't let the producers choice of murder cases to put on display taint my view of reality. Were I to succumb to that, I might think that people that don't live in trailer parks, or tenements never murder anyone, when in reality, those people probably are never featured on the show because they are more reluctant sign the requisite releases that would allow their case be shown on a TV show. IOW, if you let "reality TV" shape your view of reality, that explains a lot.

Even still, there are PLENTY of murders on the show that have nothing to do with drugs, like the one I watched last night about the guy that stabbed a smoke shop employee to death because he thought he was sleeping with his wife, or the one where the Miami marina security guard was shot by the nitwit from Jersey

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CHayes

Feb-06-13 9:14 AM

...Or the one I saw last night about the guy from Chicago who moved to Minneapolis and was shot during a robbery set up by two girls.

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MrShaman

Feb-06-13 9:14 AM

"To try to start understanding this "cultural" problem that we have here in the US, I suggest watching episodes of "The First 48"." - Tedeaux

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Yeah...if there is any doubt that each-and-every individual is an "island", in a "SEA" of murder...obsess over some T.V. show that SUPPORTS your suspicions!!

It'd be akin to listening to Porky Limbaugh...who ALSO supports his fans' most-paranoid delusions.

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MrShaman

Feb-06-13 9:24 AM

"We do not have a gun problem in this country. We have a culture problem."

Very well put." - mikekerstetter

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Absolutely! Who'd have expected the most-inventive/progressive Country, in the World, suddenly develop a fondness for the Dark Ages...when Clerics ran the show and made everyone's decisions, for them (with Porky Limbaugh as "Claude Frollo")?!!

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CHayes

Feb-06-13 9:59 AM

"Since it is their livelihood and employment (remember employment?) for quite a few folks, why wouldn't they support the folks who lobby for them? If not for their support, who would lobby for MY right to keep MY firearms?"

The NRA has a recent history of supporting easy access to firearms for criminals, the insane, and even potential terrorists. The NRA doesn't care about the health or safety of anyone in our society, they just want to move more guns.

If the NRA thought they could get away with it, they would launch a "second chance" campaign, where they would issue guns purchased with taxpayer dollars to convicts leaving prison. With every gun issued to a former guest of the state, they could probably stir up enough fear and paranoia to sell 10 or 20 more. Thus they would make the people they actually serve VERY happy.

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JohnZook

Feb-06-13 10:16 AM

Hayes- Your credibility is really taking a nosedive by some of your statements. It seems you have taken a cue from "Dear Leader" by saying anything to demonize the opposition. How could you possibly even suggest that the NRA wants criminals and the mentally ill to have guns. I have yet to hear Wayne LaPierre say anything like that or read it in the American Rifleman Magazine. NHH

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philunderwood

Feb-06-13 10:40 AM

The show “The First 48 Hours” vividly demonstrates that there’s a sub-culture out there that has little or no respect for the rights of others or a desire to include themselves in the dominant culture.

What needs to be discussed is how we, as a society, can minimize participation in the sub-culture and how we protect ourselves from it; and yes to some extent it exists in this area.

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CHayes

Feb-06-13 10:44 AM

"How could you possibly even suggest that the NRA wants criminals and the mentally ill to have guns."

Easy, they oppose universal background checks. If they support the loopholes that criminals and the mentally ill exploit to get guns, how can they oppose them having them?

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CHayes

Feb-06-13 10:49 AM

John, you seem unable to grasp that today's NRA, isn't the same animal that existed 50 years ago. Back then, they actually represented gun OWNERS, now their focus has shifted to exclusively looking out for the interests of gun MANUFACTURERS. Apparently it's easy enough to hoodwink the rank and file that it's the same thing, but it most definitely is not. Do you really think the NRA successfully opposing a law that would block people on the terrorist watch list from purchasing firearms, is in the interest of the rank and file?

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CHayes

Feb-06-13 10:53 AM

I haven't seen the NRA, in the last 10 years, support ANY policy that would reduce overall US gun sales by even a single gun. That seems to be their new litmus test.

A law that would prevent a convicted criminal, or someone who is mentally ill, or even a potential terrorist from buying a gun? No, no, no. That would have a negative impact on sales.

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Premier

Feb-06-13 12:04 PM

John, I think what we have on these boards are remnants of the hippie movement. I can see the likes of Hayes and Reeder with their leader The Sham sitting at a table wearing beads and sandles staring at the big computer screen while toking on a ty stick. Hayes has his belly showing with the words "Reeders Love Child" scrawled in lipstick. Meanwhile the Sham see's a new post from the enemy and is so confused he can't think!!!

Oh what to do???? Then in a flash it comes to him, if I can't have an original thought, I'll copy and paste, write a short passage from my bathroom wall memoirs and no one will be the wiser. It's the only thing that makes sense.

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wwhickok

Feb-06-13 12:06 PM

By "your people"...are you saying White People, Black People, or people I'm related to?

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CMReeder

Feb-06-13 1:20 PM

Premier you are one twisted individual and so far off the mark. It is clear the right has no love for the left at all here. They are losers who eat nothing but sour grapes and constantly whine about everything. They are always crying, 'you are so mean to me!' as they call you every name in the book.

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MrShaman

Feb-06-13 1:21 PM

"The show “The First 48 Hours” vividly demonstrates that there’s a sub-culture out there that has little or no respect for the rights of others or a desire to include themselves in the dominant culture." - philunderwood

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Hey, c'mon...they're programmers...trying to deliver shows to the most-paranoid of Americans.

Ya' got something against capitalism??

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CMReeder

Feb-06-13 1:23 PM

"Obviously if the gun industry were only interested in increased sales they would have donated the max to the Obama campaign."

They did not have to the mere election and re-election of Obama as President increased sales of guns because of all the crazy right wingers and their outsize fears.

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CHayes

Feb-06-13 1:24 PM

Well that's certainly an interesting story Premier, and I hate to burst your stereotype, but I find hippies annoying (particularly when they dance), I don't wear jewelry, not even a wedding band, I've never met Chuck or Shaman, I don't make a habit of showing my mid riff (not my best feature), I've never written on myself with lipstick and have no plans of starting, and I haven't smoked pot in over a decade, and before that only rarely.

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MrShaman

Feb-06-13 1:27 PM

"John, I think what we have on these boards are remnants of the hippie movement. I can see the likes of Hayes and Reeder with their leader The Sham sitting at a table wearing beads and sandles staring at the big computer screen while toking on a ty stick. Hayes has his belly showing with the words "Reeders Love Child" scrawled in lipstick. Meanwhile the Sham see's a new post from the enemy and is so confused he can't think!!!

Oh what to do???? Then in a flash it comes to him, if I can't have an original thought, I'll copy and paste, write a short passage from my bathroom wall memoirs and no one will be the wiser. It's the only thing that makes sense." - Premier

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If that's your best attempt to join the Still-Pretty-Damned-Cool coalition...you've failed.

Move, along.....

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