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‘Assault rifle’ facts

February 9, 2013

It is time to clarify some misinformation regarding the so-called "assault rifles." First, they are not true assault rifles. They are imitations of military assault rifles....

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Tedeaux

Feb-09-13 3:06 AM

I've hunted deer down South with an AR15 before. It is a light weight cartridge, but what it lacks in power it makes up for it in accuracy. The layout of an AR is very comfortable to carry with its light weight and pistol grip design. To me, the small caliber round actually has an advantage in a way in that it loses its energy fairly rapidly so that if a round goes out of bounds, there is less danger of massive damage if it would impact something. Far less per say, than a .270 or .30-06 at any distance.

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Tedeaux

Feb-09-13 3:22 AM

By the way, if the President were really interested in reducing deaths by gun fire, he would have started the debate with handguns being the focus of his proposed gun control plan. Hand guns, by far account for far more gun violence in America than any other type firearm. But instead, he chose to begin his attack on firearms in general with the assault type firearms because its easier to sell a ban on these firearms to the sheeple and second, because these weapons are the largest threat to his administration should there ever arise a need for the people to resist the governments unchecked authority. Don't mistake my argument that he would have started the

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Tedeaux

Feb-09-13 3:27 AM

Continued: Ban on handguns as being in agreement with any addition gun control laws. The President has an agenda and banning all weapon are his ultimate goal. He's just begun with these assault weapons is all.

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CHayes

Feb-09-13 7:21 AM

"The majority, if not all so-called assault rifles, are a .223 caliber utilizing a 55-grain bullet"

That is simply not a factual statement.

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VinceKnauff

Feb-09-13 7:57 AM

Go ahead Chris. Finish your claim with facts. Demonstrate your knowledge of the subject.

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MrShaman

Feb-09-13 8:44 AM

"By the way, if the President were really interested in reducing deaths by gun fire, he would have started the debate with handguns being the focus of his proposed gun control plan. But instead, he chose to begin his attack on firearms in general with the assault type firearms because its easier to sell a ban on these firearms to the sheeple and second, because these weapons are the largest threat to his administration should there ever arise a need for the people to resist the governments unchecked authority." - Tedeaux

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Yeah...let's try to ignore #3...the frequency with which they're used, during incidents of mass-murder.

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CMReeder

Feb-09-13 8:46 AM

You know if want to stop dragging hunters and hunting into the gun debate you should not have introduced them into it in the first place.

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MrShaman

Feb-09-13 8:48 AM

"Second, to quote a previous letter, "these weapons known as assault rifles are not used in hunting, because they are to violent for the sport of hunting." Not true. One, being a semi-automatic rifle, they are not legal to hunt deer or bear with in Pennsylvania." - Greg Banzhaf

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I wasn't aware of this. Thanks for the info.

Is there a heavy-duty BUST, if someone is caught doing so?

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budsatawny

Feb-09-13 9:03 AM

OK folks Truth 1 NOT all military weapons are full auto..M16A2...3 round burst/safe/and semi-auto..M60 (belt fed MACHINE GUN) is a full auto or on safe, same with the M249SAW it is the .223 full auto. As for the term "Assault Weapon" Let's break it down..."Assault"-In law, assault is a crime that involves causing a victim to apprehend violence. The term is often confused with battery, which involves physical contact. The specific meaning of assault varies between countries, but can refer to an act that causes another to apprehend immediate and personal violence, or in the more limited sense of a threat of violence caused by an immediate show of force. And "Weapon"-A weapon, arm, or armament is a tool, device, equipment or instrument used in order to inflict damage or harm to enemies or other living beings, structures, or systems. Weapons are used to increase the efficiency and efficiency of activities such as hunting, crime, law enforcement, self-defense,

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budsatawny

Feb-09-13 9:06 AM

Now according to my previous post ANYTHING can be an "ASSAULT WEAPON" Banning semi auto guns for the crimes they are used in would be like banning pens for misspelled words!

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msgjsheets

Feb-09-13 9:07 AM

More "sound" advice from Chuck and Shaman's usual distortion of fact. Another typical day is SG land!

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enigma

Feb-09-13 9:24 AM

The author is correct as far as he goes. While it is not legal to use a semi-automatic rifle to hunt in PA, it is legal in most states. Also the .223 caliber is great for hunting varmints. It is adequate for some larger game, but a larger caliber is preferred.

Chris, The .223 is by far the most popular "assault rifle" in the U.S., so you are wrong. Coincidently, the AK47, the second most popular "assault rifle" is a very good big game hunting rifle.

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CHayes

Feb-09-13 10:05 AM

" Go ahead Chris. Finish your claim with facts. Demonstrate your knowledge of the subject."

Sure. The '94 assault weapons ban included some weapons by name including Tec 9's and Uzi's both of which are primarily available in 9mm flavors. The ban also included AK47's which are commonly available in 7.62mm, 5.56mm, and other calibers. Again, its not accurate to say that almost every assault rifle sold is .223.

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CHayes

Feb-09-13 10:10 AM

Incidentally, I have in fact been in the ammo area of Gander Mountain, and they sell a wide variety of 5.56mm NATO rounds. They also sell 7.62mm ammo. These rounds aren't for handguns.

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enigma

Feb-09-13 10:11 AM

MrShaman,"Is there a heavy-duty BUST, if someone is caught doing so?"

According to the code, it is a summary offense of the fifth degree. This is punishable by a fine of not less than $100 or more than $200. I have also heard that they will confiscate the firearm, but this is not in the code.

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CHayes

Feb-09-13 10:18 AM

Alao, trying to focus on the calibre of a weapon is folly. A .22 round can penetrate your skull and kill you. The problem people have with these particular weapons is you can pour a tremondous number of bullets on an area very rapidly.

The reality is, if you want to go into a confined space like a classroom, or movie theater, and kill as many people as you can, as rapidly as you can, you aren't going to go shopping for a knife, or a framing hammer, a even a bathtub full of water,.or even a Derringer.

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Premier

Feb-09-13 10:22 AM

Well Chris it seems Vince's comment on you knowledge is correct since the Tech9 and the Uzi are not rifles.

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Class144

Feb-09-13 10:26 AM

“Furthermore, as being too violent to hunt with, this is also not true. They are not violent enough.”

So sayeth the letter writer? I was taught by my father that hunting was a sport. I gave it up once I saw the violence that guns can do to other human beings when I was in the service. I am by no means anti-hunting, however, I am somewhat puzzled by the LTE need for violence in hunting. If he feels this is necessary, why doesn’t he use an RPG? Perhaps rig some claymores around a salt lick, or if he’s very stealthy, maybe he could rig a limpet to the belly of a big buck and later detonate it. I myself never found much sport in hunting because I was the one who was armed and the animal was not. Now, if we could arm the whitetails during hunting season, then it would be a true sport and test of skills and survival. Of course, most of the beer-bellied armchair warriors would stay home. Let the drum beats begin. It’s snowy here. Some chili in the crock pot sounds nice today.

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Class144

Feb-09-13 10:35 AM

“A .22 round can penetrate your skull and kill you.”

Of course it can. A suppressed S&W Mark .22 has always been a favorite of SEAL Teams. In Nam it was called a Hush Puppy by SOG groups because it was used to silence village dogs. What makes it a fan favorite of Spec Ops is the fact that the round is subsonic and makes very little noise. Piff. Also, the round won't exit the head. Instead it rattles around inside the skull. This causes all kinds of bad stuff to Mr. Target. More so when there is a double tap.

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CHayes

Feb-09-13 10:37 AM

" Well Chris it seems Vince's comment on you knowledge is correct since the Tech9 and the Uzi are not rifles."

Oh, you mean we aren't talking about assault weapons anymore? Since when?

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CHayes

Feb-09-13 10:39 AM

AMD you wouldn't consider an Uzi with a folding stock a "rifle"?

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CHayes

Feb-09-13 10:43 AM

Are you saying Premiere that you wouldn't consider a Rock River Arms LAR-9 a "rifle" because it fires 9mm rounds?

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CHayes

Feb-09-13 10:46 AM

" Now, if we could arm the whitetails during hunting season, then it would be a true sport and test of skills and survival."

I'd pay $19.95 for that video, but I think the lack of an opposable thumb might be a problem.

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enigma

Feb-09-13 11:26 AM

CHayes, You can stop now. You have fully demonstrated your ignorance on the subject. A stock is not what makes a rifle, it is the barrel length. The Uzi is not a rifle. While you were in Gander Mountain maybe you should have talked to someone. They would have told you that 5.56mm and .223 (they are not technically the same, but in many cases are interchangable) are the top sellers in both long weapons and ammunition. There are other firearms out there listed in the "assault weapons" ban, but the most popular by far is the 5.56. The good news is that if you pay attention in this forum, you might learn something.

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enigma

Feb-09-13 11:32 AM

CHayes, One more thing to add to your education. A 'rifle' that fires pistol ammo like the 9MM or the 45 cal. are called carbines not rifles.

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