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Overwhelmed

February 9, 2013

I am overwhelmed by the prison crowding issue. So many are in prison for things like being "deadbeat" dads. We have complete control over their bank accounts and employment checks....

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Premier

Feb-09-13 6:16 AM

That was a hard read.

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ladydawg4

Feb-09-13 8:16 AM

So you're ok with someone being a deadbeat dad? Almost every person I've seen go to jail for being a deadbeat dad is in truth, a worthless excuse for a man, who should have never fathered children. Most men who don't pay for their children choose not to. They get jobs "under the table" so that the state can't garnish their wages for the court ordered amount they are to pay to the mother(s). And also, when these sperm donors go to jail, anything in their banks accounts/savings, can be given right to the mothers and honestly, going to jail, scares half the men into paying for their children because they don't want to go back. But then again, this must be another one of those "petty" crimes that people complain about going to jail for...

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CMReeder

Feb-09-13 8:42 AM

Men who are labeled 'deadbeat Dads' is for a very good reason. They are men who avoid their financial responsibilities to their children but also to society in general.

Their failure to support swells the ranks of public assistance. Grew a generation of young men shirking their responsibilities.

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MrShaman

Feb-09-13 8:54 AM

"So you're ok with someone being a deadbeat dad? Almost every person I've seen go to jail for being a deadbeat dad is in truth, a worthless excuse for a man, who should have never fathered children." - ladydawg4

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You DO realize they can't "father" children, on their own, right??

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CMReeder

Feb-09-13 9:01 AM

Amazing Bobbie is slimier than ever. Goes to show how worthless the right really is.

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spike2

Feb-09-13 9:50 AM

I know we have a lot of "birth control" haters who post. However, since the 1970's birth control is readily available. We might want to take a look at women who are having a one night or few week relationship and fail to take any responsibility for possible pregnancy. Let's be honest, she is the one who will be pregnant and have the child for the next 18 years. We no longer live in an age where women can not make good salaries. I never got a dime of child support. I also never put there father, to whom I was married, in jail. I'm only saying to the single women who have children outside of marriage, take a look at what you are doing before you bring another child into the world. Take some responsibility for your actions too.

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BornHere

Feb-09-13 10:12 AM

Agreed, good one spike.

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FormerEastEnder

Feb-09-13 10:17 AM

People are in prison for one reason and one reason only... they were found guilty of their crimes. Period. If it is overcrowded, let the authorities decide how long the "deadbeats" stay in jail and let them experience what is waiting for them for not living up to their responsibilities. If not jail time, let them start cleaning graffiti, shovel snow.. rake leaves.. mow lawns.. anything that will make them productive and cost effective to the prison system. as my mand Sammy Davis Jr sang "Don't do the crime if you can't do the timeeeee".

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CMReeder

Feb-09-13 10:39 AM

Bobbie you are slimy in characterization. Your are a disgusting excuse for a human being.

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CMReeder

Feb-09-13 10:44 AM

Not all of the responsibilty falls to women either spike. Yet legislators make it more difficult for women to take responsibilty.

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LaughIn

Feb-09-13 11:08 AM

CReeder, your 8:42 am post is on target

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Billtown101

Feb-09-13 11:17 AM

Dead-beat dads, dead-beat dads... what a worn-out term. If Lycoming County alone, locked-up dead-beat moms (welfare collecting sperm banks), they'd need to build TWO prisons!

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MrShaman

Feb-09-13 11:24 AM

"People are in prison for one reason and one reason only... they were found guilty of their crimes. Period." - FormerEastEnder

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Yeah...let's do the best (we can) to ignore the fact there's also a matter of whether-or-not those folks can afford quality legal-representation.

See:

Death Penalty Representation | Death Penalty Information Center

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LaughIn

Feb-09-13 11:26 AM

"Deadbeats" all the way around Billtown, and CReeders post has a valid point.

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spike2

Feb-09-13 11:37 AM

FormerEastEnder - failing to pay child support is a civil commitment not criminal. When a "father" is committed the woman still receives nothing.I would like to see a study on actual employment of the men who are committed, educational levels, job experience, etc.. Maybe we should consider some mandatory training for employment, find local businesses who need laborers, etc.. As a female, I completely disagree that the onus is not on the woman. Again, this is 2013. Options are readily available to prevent 99% of pregnancies. I wonder how many of the "fathers" were employed or had any level of employment at the time of conception. Women need to smarten up. If a man has a 10th grade education and no job can you reasonably expect a reasonable degree of support? If a woman just wants a child and doesn't care, she should be prepared to accept the responsibility of caring for the child. Let's be honest, most of these "fathers" are not ex-husbands. The men who w

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spike2

Feb-09-13 11:38 AM

(who) were married should be held to a higher standard. Far too many women do one-nighters or short term relationships have no money to support a child and should not have a reasonable expectation of an 18 year income.

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MrShaman

Feb-09-13 11:52 AM

"Again, this is 2013. Options are readily available to prevent 99% of pregnancies." - spike2

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...And, closer to 100%...if you live in Canada.

See:

Morning-After Pill Approved For Over-The-Counter Sales

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LaughIn

Feb-09-13 12:58 PM

TOTALLY AGREE WITH SPIKE

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ladydawg4

Feb-09-13 1:31 PM

It is up to both men and women to take responsiblity, MrShaman. But when a father decides to step out of his role as parent, this leaves no one else but the mother to take care of the child. Responsiblity lies on BOTH parents. Yes, women should make smarter choices on who they date but sometimes, accidents do happen, even when you take the best precautions. I have no sympathy for men or women who won't take responsiblity.

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ladydawg4

Feb-09-13 1:36 PM

Far too many women do one-nighters or short term relationships have no money to support a child and should not have a reasonable expectation of an 18 year income. -Spike

So what you're saying is men who sleep around with multiple women, have numerous one-nighters, shouldn't be held responsible either? If a women should be held to a higher standard and be responsible for consequences, shouldn't the man too. I'm just confused on this double standard some people seem to have that it all the womens fault because they "should have known better".

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slickthedryfly

Feb-09-13 3:09 PM

I agree with the writer. People need to make a living. Miss a dollar and the law comes and gets you. Men should automaticaly have 50/50 custody, be-it 6 month or weekly, and keep custody out of the courts, and forget about support. Equal Responsibility!!! Only jail real lawbreakers.

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FormerEastEnder

Feb-09-13 5:59 PM

Spike.. I agree with your posting.. thank you for sharing

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bryan48

Feb-09-13 7:46 PM

Lol...this cracked me up. My sister who is single must be a whore by local standards because she has 2 kids and isn't married. Too bad she is a lawyer and perfectly capable of paying her bills...and yours.

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spike2

Feb-10-13 7:19 AM

ladydawg - yes, occasionally accidents happen. We are not debating the morality of sleeping around. The simple biological fact remains that the woman is who becomes pregnant and generally maintains custody of the child. "And also, when these sperm donors go to jail, anything in their banks accounts/savings, can be given right to the mothers and honestly, going to jail, scares half the men into paying for their children because they don't want to go back." I'm thinking you are one of the "mothers" who did a little sperm collecting. You also reference "working under the table". I completely reject the idea that we have so many high paying "under the table" jobs that men are seeking these for the sole purpose of denying child support. Want to talk about the women who don't report changes in pay, tips in restaurants and bars? Let's talk about the ones who also endlessly use the non-profits and food banks,does that count as income? Bryan - Your siste

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CMReeder

Feb-10-13 9:25 AM

Okay spike I an speaking from my childhood and what my Mom endured because of my Dad. He split leaving my Mom to raise three kids under 14. She worked the night shift at a restuarant. Dad paid child support until his drinking and women got in the way then he would miss a month her and there and Mom would she understood. Then months would go by not a check, no calls, no visits, no word. Mom would contact Domestic relations and appear in court. My Dad was hard to find even though he was living in the area and also working here. He was moving and changing jobs quite frequently. My Mom endured this for 7 years. By this time I was past 18 but my younger siblings wer not. Judge greevy put it to my Dad this way go to jail or support your childern. Because my Dad was so far behind and working 'under the table' he was living very high because of the new girlfriend. In those seven years Dad had taken a lot of vacations with this girlfriend. continue..

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