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County considering plan to build a new $40 million prison

February 9, 2013

Lycoming County is considering a $40 million plan to build a new county jail outside the city. Prison construction consultants Carter Goble Lee and Ebensburg architecture firm L.....

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Don521

Feb-09-13 5:33 AM

It is a shame that prisoners get 3.25 people per prisoner and our students get 1 teacher per 25 students before they become prisoners.

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streetmachine

Feb-09-13 7:36 AM

the county needs more money bring more outside criminals in like jessie bloom did they need a place to house them and make money from the fed and state programs

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streetmachine

Feb-09-13 7:36 AM

forgot also increase are taxes

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GritBallin

Feb-09-13 7:46 AM

how about instead of building a new jail, we start doing some management with the inmates. instead of just allowing them to be put back into society right away and I am not talking about half way houses so don't even got there. what I am talking about is inmate integration. Having someone come along side these inmates and make sure they are doing what needs to be done to make sure they don't relapse. A case manager system. Jails irritate the crap out of me because the whole judicial system thinks "oh well we will just put them in jail and forget about them" Inmates a majority of them have some kind of mental issue that was never addressed. so once they are released they are already institutionalized and all they know is to go back to jail over the course of their lives. What we need is a judicial system overhaul, from the court system all the way up to the federal prison system. Over the course of my 27 years I have seen this happen repeatedly. Come together and work as a co

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GritBallin

Feb-09-13 7:49 AM

Jessie Bloom didn't do this town a favor when she decided to only care about her son. We can't get rid of the infux in this town that easily but we can take back our community. Put your heads out of your******and do what needs to be done and have a heart for these citizens. Now I am not talking about rapists, murderers or burglars. im talking about the ones who are being put in jail for petty things. Lets get it done people!

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LaughIn

Feb-09-13 8:02 AM

Why should those who obey the law have to pay for this? $40 M is a hefty chunk of groceries,mortgages, utilities, gas, auto loans, tuition taken once again from county taxpayers for lawbreakers. Put them in chains and make them work. Give them bread and water ( anything beyond they should grow or raise), make their own jump suits out of second hand hospital sheets, shovel snow, mow grass, work, work, and work. If criminals really had to pay for their errors, we wouldn't have so many. The privileged sit, eat,get medical services, cable, etc. when some of those supporting IT, have few or none. Yes, we have turned into a society that supports those who DO NOT

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MrShaman

Feb-09-13 8:11 AM

"The plan projects 23-percent growth in Lycoming County's inmate population over the next 15 years and calls for a new, combined 348-bed jail and 190-bed PRC."

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WHO's plan...and, who's predicting the future, for that "plan"??

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MrShaman

Feb-09-13 8:14 AM

"the county needs more money bring more outside criminals in like jessie bloom did they need a place to house them and make money from the fed and state programs" - streetmachine

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Ah, yes...because that's what prisons are all-about...making money!

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MrShaman

Feb-09-13 8:26 AM

"Having someone come along side these inmates and make sure they are doing what needs to be done to make sure they don't relapse. A case manager system. Jails irritate the crap out of me because the whole judicial system thinks "oh well we will just put them in jail and forget about them" Inmates a majority of them have some kind of mental issue that was never addressed." - GritBallin

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It's QUITE possible that an increase, in mental-health care spending, would include a seperate-facility that wouldn't require NEAR the expense of a facility for the confinement of criminals.

Expecting the penal-system to take-on the (additional) burden of housing inmates, with mental-health issues, hasn't generated any positive-results, to-date. How can we expect any improvements, in the future, repeating this "option"?

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MrShaman

Feb-09-13 8:31 AM

"If criminals really had to pay for their errors, we wouldn't have so many." - LaughIn

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Yeah...that's why people break-the-law...so they can be confined; 24-hours-a-day.

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LaughIn

Feb-09-13 8:39 AM

I have to agree with you John, free lodging can be found at the corner of 3rd and Hepburn on the taxpayers

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-09-13 9:16 AM

"Having someone come along side these inmates and make sure they are doing what needs to be done to make sure they don't relapse."--Gritballin

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Maybe they need to allow the Prisonfellowship(dot)org into the prisons for those that want to make life changing decisions. The Chuck Colson (yes that Watergate criminal who came to believe In Jesus Christ) started ministry which has had a large impact in some criminal's lives. There is the component that starts while the prisoners are in prison and subsequently the re-entry program back into society called InnerChange Freedom Initiative.

"A study of the IFI program in Texas found that only 8 percent of graduates were re-incarcerated after two years – a remarkable success rate compared to the national re-incarceration rate. The researcher found that mentors from the local church were the largest factor in helping the men stay on the right track."

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jeff33

Feb-09-13 9:24 AM

30 years later still blaming Jessie! She was not the reason these scumbags came up here and are still coming!

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LaughIn

Feb-09-13 9:28 AM

I have to agree with you once again John on the mental health issue. Prisons are for law breakers and psychiatric hospitals are for the mentally ill. Prisons do very little to REHAB the law breakers (you prison people can say all you want, you lie), so it makes me think absolutely nothing is getting done with the mentally ill patients.

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spike2

Feb-09-13 9:37 AM

Don - 3 shifts. Teachers are one. Inmates don't go home on the bus. The prison does have a chaplain and Sunday services.The county also has much more money available than the city. There is merit in the "GritBallin" comment. I still want to know who thinks we are holding inmates for "petty offenses" or rather what you consider a petty offense? I assume this may be because you see someone incarcerated for retail theft or disorderly conduct. What you do not know is if they are already on supervision and are violated because of a new offense. I don't believe you get 25% of the actual picture from the news.

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LaughIn

Feb-09-13 9:57 AM

Law breakers are violators and need corrective action. Put them to work, so they don't have time to dally in their heads. The mentally ill need separate facilities. Spike, what would you do with the 'temporary insane' individuals if they end up incarcerated? The penal system needs to separate the stable vs. the unstable with professional medical staff involvement.

If someone is sent to jail, it isn't because they got a gold star for the day

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Progressive

Feb-09-13 10:10 AM

Nice try Texas. We have programs and incentives that have been proven to reduce recidivism and make the community safer. Unfortunately, those in power (DA and Judges) regularly refuse to give those options to petty criminals. They pander to the public outcry for "more jail" and effectively overcrowd our prisons and make the community just a little less safe. It's a travesty.

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spike2

Feb-09-13 11:26 AM

Laugh In - I don't know who would begin the actual process. A 302 to a 304 is the only way currently available to get a commitment.There are no existing facilities as secure as the prison to place these folks. Danville only has a small number of beds allotted to our county. A 302 or 304 would work but I'm sure you know the duration of stay is not guaranteed. I do agree with you that the LCP should not be used as a residence for these folks unless a felony offense. Money and staffing is of course the insurmountable hump.

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JamieFausnaught

Feb-09-13 11:58 AM

article-"The proposal estimates that at full capacity the 528 bed facility will require 161 full-time employees, or 3.26 staff per bed. The jail and PRC now employ 120 full-time - an average of 3.25 staff per bed."

I think they did there math wrong as it would be 3.25 beds per staffmember.

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LaughIn

Feb-09-13 12:07 PM

This is the problem with commitments, when the money to support them runs out they are released (and yes they are) . Obviously, those who are deemed sane in LCP as felons will not just be set free on their own recognizance. Two separate entities are needed and they both create jobs. Convicted criminals can earn their stay and insurance companies can help support the mentally ill by coughing up some of their greedy 'hard earned' fees.

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CaymanJim

Feb-09-13 12:09 PM

"Prisons are for law breakers and psychiatric hospitals are for the mentally ill."

Years ago, many of the Commonwealth's mental hospitals were closed because of increasing operating expenses and the advent of prescriptioned therapeutics to control patients' symptoms. Most patients were discharged with instructions to remain on their medications. Over the years, the cost of some of the more effective drugs dramatically increased, prompting some, who were taking them to decrease their doses or stop altogether. Without these medications, their problems would ultimately return. Some mental institutions across PA are still open, but house a large portion of chronically ill patients who would be unmanageable in any unsupervised setting. Then, we have the hospitals for the criminally insane. Not a lot of options available, even in this day and age, for those unfortunate folks who suffer the torments of mental illness.

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LaughIn

Feb-09-13 1:05 PM

Pharmaceutical and insurance companies sure fixed everything didn't they

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eric88

Feb-10-13 12:20 AM

The hard criminal population in prison is probably about 25-30%. You guys make me laugh when you assume every inmate is a hardened criminal. For instance.. I really wouldn't concider child support violators who make up a rather large % of the inmate population viable criminals to lock up for months.. I mean if you really think about it they get behind or don't pay then they go to the klink for months and still can't get any $ while they are in. really dosent make any sence other than extra coin for the county and more jobs for country judges etc...

You can carry on your conversations about the jails being fully loaded with violent and dangerous folks now. sorry to interrupt.

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eric88

Feb-10-13 12:32 AM

Bottom line is I could see a heck of a lot better ways to spend $40million dollars than wasting money so the courthouse employees can keep themselves busy with victim-less crimes. But the doorstep lawyers and a wasteful amount of courthouse employees wouldn't be lining their pockets if it weren't for sheeple agreeing with the current county system and a massive waste of money on the horizon.

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LaughIn

Feb-10-13 10:12 AM

Eric, you need to go to the 'deadbeat' dad jail fill up LTE and read our posts again.

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