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Gun reality

February 14, 2013

This is a response to Grant Berry Jr.'s “Gun Solution.” Mr. Berry starts out by saying "He doesn't know much about the history of guns"....

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MrShaman

Feb-14-13 6:34 AM

"I wonder if the great patriots that founded our country, when the British came marching down the road, beating on their drums, and AR-15's would have been available to them, what would they have used? I know what I would use. God Bless America!" - Steven E. Harman

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You forgot to say "WOLVERINES"!!!!

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bryan48

Feb-14-13 7:14 AM

Being anti AR is not being anti-gun. It is pro-common sense.

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wwhickok

Feb-14-13 7:37 AM

Good response Bryan...mind explaining that a bit more?

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wwhickok

Feb-14-13 7:38 AM

I read that as "anti armalite".

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bryan48

Feb-14-13 7:45 AM

We also need to be honest that in the late 1700's muskets were a millitary and civilian weapon. In today's world the 'patriots' would have been wiped out or forced in to submission. The world is in fact a different place.

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Josh84

Feb-14-13 7:57 AM

bryan48 Feb-14-13 7:14 AM***"Being anti AR is not being anti-gun. It is pro-common sense."

I'll admit, like Bryan, Sometimes i'm scared by things I dont understand.(sarc.)

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wwhickok

Feb-14-13 8:01 AM

I agree Bryan the world is different. Actually it sorta of seems your statements contradict themselves. You are suggesting that it is common sense to oppose 'new age' guns yet you think it's common sense to think people should be using them in todays world...did I miss something?

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CMReeder

Feb-14-13 8:18 AM

Does he think the Redcoats would have had only muskets. This is nothing but supposition.

If they would really truly think about it the patiots had a lot less in weapons than the Redcoats.

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rick424

Feb-14-13 8:29 AM

"I'm sure if those very wise men who wrote our Constitution were here today they would have no problem with our modern firearms." How do you know what they would say?

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CMReeder

Feb-14-13 9:26 AM

Didn't you know Rick all conservatives think exactly alike. There is a deeeeeep psychic connection that today's conservatives have with the conservative Founders, all of them by the way.

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mazmdm

Feb-14-13 9:32 AM

The bottom line is that the govt is taking away our freedom. Why punish the 99.9% of law abiding gun owners.

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DavidBross

Feb-14-13 9:36 AM

".... our firearms could protect the population from enemies both foreign and domestic." Again, the use of pronouns here is interesting,"our firearms". The author seems very confident that there would be a unified, coordinated use of arms by civilians. I don't share his confidence. Also, by the time a foreign enemy actually landed on our soil, there would not be much left that is recognizable of the US.

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wwhickok

Feb-14-13 9:51 AM

"The bottom line is that the govt is taking away our freedom. Why punish the 99.9% of law abiding gun owners."

While I agree with the basis of your statement, I disagree with the statistic you provided to support it. I do not believe that 99.9% of gun owners abide the law. I will gladly support a statistic that suggests perhaps that it is above 90% and likely above 95% but I do believe there is AT LEAST a full 1% of gun owners who have to some extent broken the law. So while your intent is to suggest it punishes abiding citizens, it also would (in theory) punish those who don't.

I don't actually think it DOES accomplish what the government thinks it will however. But the statistic I believe in inaccurate.

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SteelerFan

Feb-14-13 9:58 AM

Come on Chuck, all conservatives think alike? If this is true, the same can be said for you liberals who are so tolerant of an opposite viewpoint. As Gavin would say, Drink!!

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wwhickok

Feb-14-13 10:06 AM

I guess if all conservatives think alike and all liberals think alike...

that makes me a liberative.

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enigma

Feb-14-13 10:12 AM

To those of you who think it is insanity to think that armed private citizens could stand up to a modern army, I present, Egypt, Libya and Syria. None of these would have been possible had the citizens not had arms. That is the reason that our government wants to disarm us, and make no mistake, this is about banning all guns in the long run. Senator Feinstein has said so in the past. There is an interesting book titled,"How Do You Kill 11 Million People?" The short answer is, "You lie to them." You're being lied to.

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wwhickok

Feb-14-13 10:19 AM

I've said this before and I'll say it again. The Citizens put themselves in this position, election after election they choose to vote for the guy they are 'affiliated with' instead of looking at the bigger pictures. They buy into everything and anything politicians say. The first rule of politics is that 90% of the crap that comes out of their mouth is what they want you to hear or know. The other 10% is everything that you can't do anything about anyway. Politicians are liars. Not some of them. ALL of them. It's about control and money and furthermore, control of money. If you've ever thought you were weren't being lied to, you're naive. As far as the gun rights goes, OF COURSE they want to disarm the people. Listen...a few weeks back I made a 'Panem' comment and I'm simply speaking figuratively but it's not far from the truth. Governments want to control the situation and if they lose control then you get Syria.

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wwhickok

Feb-14-13 10:22 AM

I'd venture to say that 75% of the people that voted for Barack Obama voted for him for one of three reasons. 1. He is Black 2. He is Democrat 3. He is going to make sure you get your welfare.

The 4th option if you want one is probably because he isn't Romney/Republican. That's about as deep as the thought process got for the majority of Democratic voters this time around imo..about as deep as it got the first time around. If you voted for the people trying to force through the gun bans, don't blame them. Blame yourself!

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CMReeder

Feb-14-13 12:06 PM

"Come on Chuck, all conservatives think alike? If this is true, the same can be said for you liberals who are so tolerant of an opposite viewpoint. As Gavin would say, Drink!!"

First off SF conservatives state they know what the Founding Fathers would think about today and how they would act. Second members of the right are always saying that liberals think exactly alike. So it is the right who is drinking and a lot!

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CMReeder

Feb-14-13 12:09 PM

"I guess if all conservatives think alike and all liberals think alike...

that makes me a liberative."

Whatever!

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CMReeder

Feb-14-13 12:10 PM

Enigma is losing it!

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mikekerstetter

Feb-14-13 12:21 PM

bryan48-"Being anti AR is not being anti-gun. It is pro-common sense."

If common sense were present everyone would know the only real difference between that AR-15 and a semi-auto hunting rifle is the looks. And common sense tells us that banning how a weapon looks does nothing to accomplish the reason we want to ban the weapon in the first place.

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DavidBross

Feb-14-13 1:22 PM

"To those of you who think it is insanity to think that armed private citizens could stand up to a modern army, I present, Egypt, Libya and Syria." I think Syria would be the best example. Egypt didn't have any weaponry used in its overturning of Mubarak. Libya's actual army was more of a paper tiger compared to Syria. Syria, however, has a modern army with advanced weaponry and effective command and control systems. So Syria is a good example of armed citizens fighting a modern army. What I have doubts about is how that could be applied here. There shear size of our country and the significant political and cultural differences between the various regions makes it seem likely to me that we would disintegrate into region against region.

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SteelerFan

Feb-14-13 3:41 PM

Chuck: "Enigma is losing it!"

Recognize the signs huh Chuck?

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idiottwo

Feb-14-13 4:51 PM

Chicago has some of the strictest of gun laws and yet more of our people seem to be killed there than in theaters of war. The young girl that was killed near Obama's home too. Its not legal gun owners doing these things. Criminals.

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