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February 15, 2013

Dr. Vosk has yet another way to attack the Second Amendment of our Constitution by attacking the firearm industry and suggesting that they should have no input to the national discussion....

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VinceKnauff

Feb-15-13 5:44 AM

The left wants us to think that the NRA supports and encourages wanton violence. Therefore it must be so. No further proof is needed.

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MrShaman

Feb-15-13 5:46 AM

"Dr. Vosk has yet another way to attack the Second Amendment of our Constitution by attacking the firearm industry and suggesting that they should have no input to the national discussion.

It is indeed sad that more of the nation's hunters, recreational shooters and competitive shooters choose not to join and support the National Rifle Association." - Phillip G. Miller

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If the NRA is incapable of covering Wayne LaPierre's (nearly $1M/year) salary...without the firearm-industry's lobbying bonu$-buck$...maybe LaPierre needs to get a real job.

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MrShaman

Feb-15-13 5:49 AM

"The left wants us to think that the NRA supports and encourages wanton violence." - VinceKnauff

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That's what Porky Limbaugh says, huh?

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idiottwo

Feb-15-13 6:14 AM

Idea? Dr. Vosk go to Chicago or DC late at night and walk the area a bit. These places have the strictest of gun laws and so he'll feel quite safe - or will he? That experience might help him to better understand the complexity and maybe rather than MSNBC talking points he look at facts. Maybe too he give some thought about intrusion of rights as taking those away do have impact, real impact.

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CHayes

Feb-15-13 6:55 AM

"The left wants us to think that the NRA supports and encourages wanton violence."

Nobody I've seen says that. The NRA supports nothing, and I mean NOTHING, except increased gun sales. Gun sales to criminals, gun sales to the mentally ill, even gun sales to potential terrorists. The NRA simply doesn't care about wanton violence, except how it relates to increased gun sales.

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wwhickok

Feb-15-13 6:56 AM

If I'm understanding this article correctly..I don't believe the gun industry should have input on law making. They're in this for profit. I'm not talking about the NRA I actually don't have a problem with the NRA despite my personal belief they have their own 'agenda'. But I believe that the gun industry needs to stick to just making guns and not to making laws.

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USABorn

Feb-15-13 6:58 AM

MrShaman - 5:49 AM

"That's what Porky Limbaugh says, huh?"

ROFLMBO.....Impossible for Sham to make it through a thread with Limbaugh!!!

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CHayes

Feb-15-13 7:02 AM

It's interesting that the Republicans put this guy on the House Science Committee.

"Georgia congressman Paul Broun claimed after Tuesday’s State of the Union address that “There are more people killed with baseball bats and hammers than are killed with guns.” Explainer readers may remember Broun as the congressman who believes the Earth is 9,000 years old. What about his hammer and baseball bat claim? He’s wrong again, but he’s getting warmer. According to FBI data, 8,583 people were murdered with firearms in 2011. Only 496 people were killed by blunt objects, a category that includes not just hammers and baseball bats but crowbars, rocks, paving stones, statuettes, and electric guitars. Broun was off by a factor of at least 17 this time, a significant improvement on his estimate of the age of the Earth. The blue planet is 4.54 billion years old, or more than 500,000 times older than Broun believes it to be."

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CHayes

Feb-15-13 7:17 AM

I wonder if there was a House Math Committee, if the Republicans would have Broun chairing it?

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idiottwo

Feb-15-13 7:30 AM

CHay's, more killed with a rifle, not gun. Check your math again.

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wwhickok

Feb-15-13 7:35 AM

are we debating what type of 'firearm' is involved in the most murders? If that's what we're doing I'd suggest y'all go check your statistics again. 72% of violent crimes involving firearms, are committed with handguns. You can look at that up, while that % might have varied a little bit..it's prety darn accurate. It's ironic that probably 72% of Pro-Gun Ban advocates are screaming for bans on assault rifles (random %).

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wwhickok

Feb-15-13 7:37 AM

Here's the specifics on my last comment. This information was provided via a recent CNN article "How violent mentally ill buy guns" Did you know that 72% of homicides in the United States is committed with hand guns? To be more specific, after handguns, rifles and shotguns reels in a whopping 4% each. In the diagram in which I derived this information it does admit to 18% being ‘unknown”, which is still a significant # but fact is, it also suggests that firearms are not being used for these murders.

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rick424

Feb-15-13 7:42 AM

You on the right just beat things to death.

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mazmdm

Feb-15-13 7:44 AM

So Hayes, what about the fast and furious scandal. Your buddy Hussein Obama put automatic weapons in the hands of drug cartels. Maybe we should worry about our govt instead of the NRA. As far as I'm concerned Vosk is brainwashed and can't think for himself.

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wwhickok

Feb-15-13 7:51 AM

Another point I'd like to make on the article, the part about more hunters and sportsmans not joining the NRA, this might be as simple as the individuals not wanting to get involved in the 'politics' of firearms. In relation to my initial comment, I was basically referencing the first paragraph, I don't have a problem with the gun industry supporting the NRA either, but again, those who are 'basically out to make money on their product' shouldn't really have a say in law making. I mean..if you're being honest, the gun industry is just that, manufacturing a product for financial gain. Which is completely fine, I just don't believe it allows them to have a 'common view' or understanding from both sides. The NRA, while yes, I believe they have their own agenda, isn't actually manufacturing the guns, they have the ability to see both sides, that doesn't mean they have to agree with the other side.

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spike2

Feb-15-13 7:52 AM

The NRA would get further if they replaced LaPierre. He sounds like a lunatic, too much gloom. I think there must be a better person to present the position who would stick to absolute facts and the law. The doomsday scenario is actually hurting the cause.

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CHayes

Feb-15-13 7:52 AM

"Did you know that 72% of homicides in the United States is committed with hand guns?"

I don't think anyone knows that's true. In the FBI's crime statistics for 2011, there are categories for handguns, and long guns, but there's also a category "other guns" with over 1500 murders.

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eriklatranyi

Feb-15-13 7:55 AM

The liberals show their nasty, twisted beliefs.....again.

Silence the gun industry.

In other words, we can pass laws to put you out of business and you should not speak up against such laws.

This proves, once again, that liberals do not believe in free speech for all....only for those who agree with them.

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wwhickok

Feb-15-13 7:56 AM

The #'s in the article were based on arrest/Forensic statisitcs I believe; not positive on that however.

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wwhickok

Feb-15-13 7:58 AM

Also Hayes, the information in the article didn't give specific #'s of total murders, it simply gave %'s. It included rifles, 'others', hand guns, unknown, etc. Is the actual %'s higher for certain firearms? Perhaps but again, I believe the #'s listed were based on actual arrest/forensic reports.

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JerryfromRI

Feb-15-13 8:03 AM

@eriklatranyi

"Silence the gun industry."

Oh, no, no, no. Please let the gun industry keep right on talking, preferably right on camera on the 6 o'clock news.

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CMReeder

Feb-15-13 8:07 AM

'It is indeed sad that more of the nation's hunters, recreational shooters and competitive shooters choose not to join and support the National Rifle Association.'

Did you ever ask them why? You have NRA 'A' rated politicians upset with the statements coming from the NRA especially from Wayne La Pierre. I know people who left the NRA because of what they have done and are doing. As they put it the crazies took over the organization and don't like the promos that have proliferated the literature.

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CMReeder

Feb-15-13 8:13 AM

"NRA was created to support the ability of citizens to maintain their marksmanship, so that when or if they are called to defend our nation from foreign attack they will be competent marksmen."

So the NRA is training an army. You wonder why the recreational shooter, hunters and competitive shooters are not joining.

Unfortunately many in the NRA are not saying foreign government but from this nation's government.

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MrShaman

Feb-15-13 8:34 AM

"Idea? Dr. Vosk go to Chicago or DC late at night and walk the area a bit. These places have the strictest of gun laws and so he'll feel quite safe - or will he?" - idiottwo

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You frequent those places, fairly-often, do you?

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MrShaman

Feb-15-13 8:41 AM

"It's interesting that the Republicans put this guy on the House Science Committee." - CHayes

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These would be the SAME people who put Michele Bachmann on the Permanent Select Committee On Intelligence!!

Curiouser & curiouser....

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