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God's faithfulness

February 17, 2013

I recently heard a prominent radio minister, promoting a book. This book was written for the purpose of learning, in thirty days, how to devote fifteen minutes a day to the Lord....

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CMReeder

Feb-18-13 9:34 AM

You question others for the quotes/scriptures they post and then turn around and use quotes/scripture as truth for yourself.

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wwhickok

Feb-18-13 6:20 AM

Religion has no place in Governmental Legislation. That's all I have to say about this topic.

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WKnapp

Feb-17-13 11:12 PM

It's easy to make up questionable quotes or take Scripture verses out of context. For example, Isaiah 45 was a prophecy about Cyrus, founder of Persia. Cyrus was born about two hundred years after Isaiah wrote about him. Read the very first verse of Exodus 34. "The LORD said to Moses, "Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke." Therefore, the 'he' who wrote in the referrenced verse was none other than God Himself.

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bryan48

Feb-17-13 9:32 PM

Hey, at least TJ was nice enough to eventually free his children conceived while he was in office. Too bad the mother of the children never could say the same.....real stand up Christian man...

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mikekerstetter

Feb-17-13 4:25 PM

Ridgerunnr-'Ahhh! The Treaty of Tripoli!!!'

Ahhh yes, the Treaty of Tripoli. Authored by American diplomat Joel Barlow, not John Adams, to placate the Muslim nation of Tripoli and trying to assure them that the US was not interested in attacking them. Hardly a smoking gun in the 'not founded on Christian principles' argument.

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Ridgerunnr

Feb-17-13 1:02 PM

Ahhh! The Treaty of Tripoli!!!

. "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility."

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Ridgerunnr

Feb-17-13 1:01 PM

Perhaps I would feel more faithful to 'god' if we as a world followed the commandments as put forth in Exodus 34. - Exodus 34 New International Version (NIV)

34:28 Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.

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Class144

Feb-17-13 12:34 PM

"but we are a Christian nation when one understands the founders and Christ's teachings."

Right. That isn't what John Adams espoused when he wrote these words:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility."

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-17-13 12:26 PM

Ridgerunnr, I had posted replies to your Isaiah quote in the LTE "Most loved, hated" from Feb 3, 2013.

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Bufftrev1

Feb-17-13 12:23 PM

Hi mike.. by no means. I recommend you read his books yourself to determine the level of merit you wish to attribute. Or the lack thereof, works both ways.

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mikekerstetter

Feb-17-13 12:04 PM

Bufftrev1-"Quote- Chrisopher Hitchens, in his biography, Thomas Jefferson: Author of America, thinks it is likely that Jefferson was an atheist,"

I've seen some quotes here on these pages from people pertaining to you, so since I've read it I must automatically assume it's true?

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Ridgerunnr

Feb-17-13 12:04 PM

Isaiah 45:7

King James Version (KJV)

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

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mikekerstetter

Feb-17-13 12:01 PM

Ridgerunnr-"Thomas Jefferson: "I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.""

The problem, at least for you, is that this quote can't be found in any of Jefferson's known writings.

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Alsever

Feb-17-13 11:36 AM

On my fourth bottle of White Out for making corrections to the Bible. Devinely Inspired. Decided to keep the part where it says that Pi is 3.0 and not 3.14. What difference can 0.14 possibly make?

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Class144

Feb-17-13 10:26 AM

"He hated God so much that he often went into incomprehensible rants when speaking on the subject."

More ignorance. To begin with, even his foes regard Hitchens as one of the most brilliant minds of the last century. After all, he crushed 99% of the Christian apologists he debated. Hitchens never hated god. You can't hate what doesn't exist. He disliked organized religions in all its forms for its hypocrisy and the many evils it inflicted on mankind. Again, I would suggest you read his writings. He is a brilliant politico and observer of the experience human.

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Class144

Feb-17-13 10:21 AM

"He was a devout Christian during the founding and his Presidency."

Ignorance is bliss? It's obvious you haven't read a single objective book on Jefferson, or any of his writings, like the letter to the Danbury Baptists. Jefferson was in no way a Christian. Many scholars agree he was a deist, and that's where his religious views ended..or began.

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Class144

Feb-17-13 10:18 AM

People who hear voices in their head, are most commonly refereed to as schizophrenic. Unless, of course, you claim to be a reverend, or christian, which somehow makes hearing voices more palpable. Strange, though, these voices never come when other people are present.

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Bufftrev1

Feb-17-13 9:06 AM

Hi enigma.. indeed, sir. However, I do find the notion that prudence dictated the zeitgeist of the times quite a likely premise. And, given the clarity of the comments I've seen attributed to Jefferson, I would question the notion of his mind being feeble.. enjoy your Sunday! Snowing currently in Tioga co..

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enigma

Feb-17-13 8:15 AM

Buff, You're quoting Hitchens? Hardly an unbiased source. I've heard the man speak. He hated God so much that he often went into incomprehensible rants when speaking on the subject. The reason he wrote about Jefferson was not to provide an accurate historical perspective, but to 'prove' to us that the country did not have a Christian founding, which makes any of the work, questionable.

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CMReeder

Feb-17-13 8:10 AM

Fifteen minutes!

That is all it takes.

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Bufftrev1

Feb-17-13 8:05 AM

Quote- Chrisopher Hitchens, in his biography, Thomas Jefferson: Author of America, thinks it is likely that Jefferson was an atheist, even in his own time when it was much harder. ' As to whether he was an atheist, we must reserve judgement if only because of the prudence he was compelled to observe during his political career. But, as he had written to his nephew Peter Carr, as early as 1787, one must not be frightened from this inquiry by fear of it's consequences. - Also found in the same letter, Question with boldness even the existence of god because if there is one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.

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enigma

Feb-17-13 7:26 AM

Ridgerunnr, Jefferson made several anti-Christian quotes in his later years when his mind was feeble. He was a devout Christian during the founding and his Presidency, but you wouldn't expect someone just gathering quotes from an anti-God website to know that.

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CarlHiller

Feb-17-13 7:04 AM

There are a number of quotes attributed to Jefferson that were not spoken or written by Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson and the other founders built our nation upon Christian principles and ethics,(not the organized religion). They warned that America would morally disintegrate if it abandon its "religious" roots. Although such a foundation could not make our nation Christian, it was a moral foundation built on Godly and good precepts of the teachings of Jesus. We are most definitely not a Christian nation run by an organized religion, but we are a Christian nation when one understands the founders and Christ's teachings. Jefferson was, as were many of the Founders, very critical of organized religion and understood that an organized religion can become more tyrannical than government. They were more Christlike than the christians of today. Christianity today does not have much in common with the teachings of Jesus as recorded in the Gospels of the New Testament.

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CarlHiller

Feb-17-13 6:52 AM

If you look at Jefferson's notes on the State of Virginia, which is supposedly where this quote came from, you will see that only some of this quote was truly written by Jefferson. This is the true quote - "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; To support roguery and error all over the earth. Let us reflect that it is inhabited by a thousand millions of people. That these profess probably a thousand different systems of religion. That ours is but one of that thousand. That if there be but one right, and ours that one, we should wish to see the 999 wandering sects gathered into the fold of truth. But against such a majority we cannot effect this by force. Reason and persuasion are the only practicable instruments."

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Ridgerunnr

Feb-17-13 6:14 AM

Thomas Jefferson: "I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology."

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