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Gun rationale

February 17, 2013

At the age of 18, I enlisted in the Army. I completed basic training and attended the U.S. Army Military Police School....

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msgjsheets

Feb-18-13 9:34 PM

The anti-so called assault crowd is still at it I see. None will admit that the only way solves the gun violence problem is that when there are no more so called assault weapons, they will come after pistols, semi or revolvers, shotguns. Hayes, you continue to make your usual level of common sense (NONE). Keep pushing to take others rights away and then be dumbfounded when they come after yours.

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Bufftrev1

Feb-18-13 9:10 PM

Nice try, erik, but the level of trust in gangs is likely, and in tribes is most assuredly far greater than normalized societies. This is a large part of the reason is was so difficult to locate bin laden, the tribes that helped shelter him couldn't be bought by american dollars. Watching a documentary about the new book Hubris, outlining yet again the falsified case for war in Iraq perpetrated by republicans.

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CHayes

Feb-18-13 1:37 PM

" CHayes:

Disarming the public is your ultimate goal.

Don't lie about it."

So I'm trying to disarm myself? Why would I possibly want to do that? You understand I'm a gun owner, right?

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eriklatranyi

Feb-18-13 8:37 AM

BuffTrev1:

No. If you choose to live around other people, there is an inherent level of trust required.

If you do not have that, you do not have a society, you have tribes or gangs.

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eriklatranyi

Feb-18-13 8:24 AM

CHayes:

Disarming the public is your ultimate goal.

Don't lie about it.

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wwhickok

Feb-18-13 6:18 AM

The only thing I want to add to this is a comment on the phrase "law abiding citizens". Gerald Hume obeyed the laws when he legally purchased guns in which he later used to murder his mother and chop her into pieces. Seung- Hui Cho obeyed the law by legally purchasing his guns prior to killing 32 at Virginia Tech. My point is when you say use that phrase, it may be in your best interest to be very specific about what you're referring to. Because used too loosely that term can be as dangerous as the legislation that you're against.

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RogerMurdock

Feb-17-13 4:47 PM

alsever, things were much different when I was in the Marines (1969-1978). We always had personal firearms and lots of ammo in our barracks rooms. In fact we could check out 100 rds of 22 and 60 rds of 06 every month from Special Services, plus what our non-shooting friends would check out for us. My CO and Sgt Maj walked into my room one morning for barracks inspection and I had 2 shotguns and a rifle in plain sight. They asked what they were, I told them and I never heard a word of it. Back then a certain enthusiasm about firearms was expected and encouraged. Another time we got wind of a drug shake-down in the barracks, so we all went from work to get our guns out. When I got there they were being carried out literally by the armloads to be put into our cars until they were finished with their drug inspection. Funny how things have changee and not necessarily for the better.

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Bufftrev1

Feb-17-13 3:53 PM

Hi erik.. you may want to pursue another line of reasoning regarding your trust supposition. Trust is, IMO, something that must be earned, to any discernable degree. It is probably fair to assume your lock your doors at night, keep an eye on your wallet, password protect your online accounts and do not print sensitive information on your business cards, if you have one. At a minimum, you may want to clarify the point your trying to make..

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Premier

Feb-17-13 2:45 PM

When 1/3 of the posts are from one person I think there is a dominance issue going on.

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Premier

Feb-17-13 2:42 PM

Alot of words but that it, just a bunch of words.

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CHayes

Feb-17-13 2:21 PM

" But DHS has been silent about its need for numerous orders of bullets in the multiple millions."

Ssssshhhhh! It's a secret. They're probably listening to every word you say. I bet they have listening devices inside the walls of your house. You should start stocking up on tin foil, I hear it blocks the signals.

Hey, it must be true, you read it on the web, right?

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CHayes

Feb-17-13 2:16 PM

" Face it, you do not trust your fellow citizens."

If your implication is that I don't trust an undiagnosed psychotic, who thinks his neighbors dog has been telling him to massacre all the children on a school bus, to walk around with an AK47 clone with a 30 round magazine, then someone should give you a cookie, because for once your on the money. And of course your statement implies that you not only trust the psychopath, but you'd like to make it as easy as possible for him to get the tools he requires to perform his task at hand with murderous efficiency.

If I'm off the mark, then please explain how you suggest keeping him from getting that AK, and high capacity magazines?

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CHayes

Feb-17-13 2:08 PM

" You proclaim this is an issue of safety, however, you show little care for the safety of the people who own these. You do not care if you disarm the wife of an abusing husband"

Are you riding the short bus or what? Who said ANYTHING about "disarming" ANYONE?

Your oronic statement presupposes that someone has proposed "disarming" someone (buzzzz-wrong), and that military style assault weapons and large capacity magazines are absolutely the only firearm available (strike number two).

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eriklatranyi

Feb-17-13 1:47 PM

CHayes:

Face it, you do not trust your fellow citizens.

These are not new weapons. Semi-automatics have been around for over 100 years. They have had large capacity magazines from the beginning.

There are hundreds of thousands of these weapons and magazines in the hands of civilians. They have been there for decades.

You proclaim this is an issue of safety, however, you show little care for the safety of the people who own these. You do not care if you disarm the wife of an abusing husband. You do not care if you disarm the elderly in a wheelchair and little mobility. You do not care if you disarm the black woman in her apartment in Philadelphia.

You really don't care about the consequences of your desired actions because by banning the "looks" of these firearms, you will feel better about yourself.

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CHayes

Feb-17-13 1:33 PM

No wait, I know. It must be ammunition for the sidearms for the guards at those secret FEMA extermination camps.

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CHayes

Feb-17-13 1:31 PM

" According to one estimate, just since last spring DHS has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm."

"One estimate"? Who's estimate might that be?

Why would the federal govt need lots of handgun ammo you ask? I don't know, you think maybe law enforcement run through some ammo at the range?

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CHayes

Feb-17-13 1:27 PM

" Alsever, I get it now, when someone is working for the government they are completely trustworthy, but when they no longer work for the government or are off duty they are raving lunatics bent on destruction ,"

What gives with the absolutes? Who said all of any group were "raving lunatics"? Please point out exactly who said that and when.

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USABorn

Feb-17-13 1:12 PM

Some recent headlines......

Washington State Proposed Gun Law Calls on Sheriff to Inspect Homes of Assault-Weapon Owners

MO Dems Whine About Being Harassed After Pushing Gun-Grabbing Bill

Colorado Democrats’ Anti-Gun Law Threatens State’s Largest Ammo Manufacturer

Breaking: Democrats Move to Ban Ammunition in Wisconsin

Major US Gun Manufacturer Halts Sales to New York Law Enforcement in Protest to Recent Gun Control Laws …Update: More Companies Join Boycott

Breaking: MN Democrats Introduce Law to Confiscate Guns… Give Gun Owners 6 Months to Turn in Weapons

Missouri Democrats Introduce Legislation to Confiscate Firearms – Gives Gun Owners 90 Days to Turn in Weapons

And what do all these propoed laws all have in commmon? They are all proposed by DEMOCRATS.

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USABorn

Feb-17-13 1:01 PM

According to one estimate, just since last spring DHS has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm. That’s sufficient firepower to shoot every American about five times. Including illegal immigrants.

To provide some perspective, experts estimate that at the peak of the Iraq war American troops were firing around 5.5 million rounds per month. At that rate, DHS is armed now for a 24-year Iraq war.

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USABorn

Feb-17-13 1:00 PM

Speaking of rationale, what is the rationale of:

In a puzzling, unexplained development, the Obama administration has been buying and storing vast amounts of ammunition in recent months, with the Department of Homeland Security just placing another order for an additional 21.6 million rounds.

Several other agencies of the federal government also began buying large quantities of bullets last year. The Social Security Administration, for instance, not normally considered on the frontlines of anything but dealing with seniors, explained that its purchase of millions of rounds was for special agents’ required quarterly weapons qualifications. They must be pretty poor shots.

But DHS has been silent about its need for numerous orders of bullets in the multiple millions. Indeed, Examiner writer Ryan Keller points out Janet Napolitano’s agency illegally redacted information from some ammunition solicitation forms following media inquiries.

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enigma

Feb-17-13 12:16 PM

Alsever, I get it now, when someone is working for the government they are completely trustworthy, but when they no longer work for the government or are off duty, they are raving lunatics bent on destruction. Does that mean that we should stop allowing off duty police officers to carry guns? What other rights shouldn't anyone outside the government have? Welcome to the police state.

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Alsever

Feb-17-13 11:53 AM

While you might have had all of that firepower on the job, I'll bet it all went into a locked arms room when you were off duty. I don't know of anyone in the military that had their weapons in their home or in the barracks while in the US. All arms were locked up and only available while on duty.

While stationed at Fort Hood, Texas with the 1st Cav, we could have private firarms but they had to be kept in the Troop arms room and were only available during daylight hours. During weekly inspections, our officers might or might not inspect you Personal vehicle and there better not be a firearm in the vehicle.

Even in Viet Nam, we generally had to keep our weapons locked up whenever our local internal race wars broke out. Besides most guys wanted their weapons locked up so the druggies wouldn't steal them to sell off base.

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CHayes

Feb-17-13 10:40 AM

How about some more limits on free speech:

-What if I call 911, and say theres a fire at my house knowing there isn't?

-What if I tell you I'm going to sell you a rare doodad for $5000, but I take your money without having it, or any intent to get it for you?

-What if I have a high level security clearance, and give classified information to reporter?

-What if I knowingly make false statements about your business with the intent of damaging it?

All rights have limits. That's how many states have a death penalty, and why a police officer can enter your home without a warrant if they feel someone is about to be harmed.

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sideliner

Feb-17-13 10:36 AM

"Should the government come in and take anything you have that I don't think you need?"

I think I need some ******, a liquor still, oh and wait... I need some plutonium and plastic explosives while I'm at it. Maybe a surface to air missile and a grenade launcher against those roving criminals getting ready to rob me. And wait, I have to be prepared for that Big Gov'ment coming in to take all my fire power.

Jeez...

That argument makes no sense.

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CHayes

Feb-17-13 10:00 AM

I should add, that if I called you up and threatened to kill you, the police would probably also seize my shotgun, and handgun before sending me to jail, and that works for me.

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