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February 18, 2013

I wanted to put a suicide knob on my steering wheel and found out that I needed to take a safety test with the State Police to make sure I can use it safely so I think I will go buy a 9 mm Glock......

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Billtown101

Feb-20-13 7:40 AM

"I wanted to put a suicide knob on my steering wheel and found out that I needed to take a safety test with the State Police to make sure I can use it safely..." - Not 100% positive, because laws change and it's often difficult for the avg. schmuck to keep up on new PA. vehicle safety codes, but - looking over the regulations for Pennsylvania, I see No rules against knobs in Pennsylvania's statutes.

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Josh84

Feb-19-13 10:24 AM

"I wanted to put a suicide knob on my steering wheel and found out that I needed to take a safety test with the State Police to make sure I can use it safely so I think I will go buy a 9 mm Glock because I do not have to take any instruction for that. All I need to do is pass a background check. Is this a wonderful country or what!"

Come one Chris, This WAS the intent of the LTE. We havent transformed it from something it wasnt.

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CHayes

Feb-19-13 10:04 AM

Isn't it amazing that someone wrote a letter about getting what my father used to call a "neckin' knob" for his car, and here we are talking about guns.

It's hard for me to imagine that people ever disagreed with the President when he said that rural people "cling to their guns and religion". All you have to do is take a run through the editorial pages of the SG for the last few weeks and those two topics are the basis of almost all the letters. Then you come on to the site, and even on the letters that that don't deal with those topics, they get magically transformed to them.

Gee, that's not clingy at all.

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Josh84

Feb-19-13 7:46 AM

Gthecaringkind Feb-18-13 3:58 PM****"Guns are DESIGNED to fire lead, nickle, copper or other alloys at rates of speed of 896 meters per second."

Guns come in all shapes and sizes and their velocities vary greatly by type and caliber.

Yet another blatant attempt to appear educated on a topic this writer knows little to nothing about.

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CHayes

Feb-18-13 8:58 PM

" This country is about rights."

As I demonstrated to you yesterday 15 ways from Sunday, there isn't a single right a US citizen has that isn't limited in some way, and that is the way it should be.

You can't slander someone, you can't leak classified information, your life can be taken from you in states with the death penalty, police can enter your home without a warrant if they believe someone is in imenant danger, it goes on and on.

There are exceptions are put on all your rights, particularly when they start rubbing against someone else's rights, or for public safety. That's the way societies work. Everyone gets benefits from living in a society, but that also means compromises. Again if that doesn't work for you, try an island.

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Premier

Feb-18-13 5:57 PM

Dear The"caring"kind, Don't you "care" about gun owners or is it you don't care about anyone with whom you disagree with?

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enigma

Feb-18-13 4:52 PM

CHayes,"This is a debate about public safety, not rights. If you don't like to have to be concerned about public safety, I'm sure there's a secluded island somewhere with your name on it."

This country is about rights. If you don't like that, there are at least a hundred countries where you could go and not have any. I thing you'll find they are no safer than this one. It's not about public safety, it's about gaining more control of the public. If you don't see that, then maybe one of those other countries is just what you'd like.

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SteelerFan

Feb-18-13 4:32 PM

I'm a little late here but would everyone agree the letter writer was being sarcastic?

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thecaringkind

Feb-18-13 3:58 PM

Can a letter on here be any more pointless? Why do people insist equating every day objects or tools or darn near anything with guns? Guns are DESIGNED to fire lead, nickle, copper or other alloys at rates of speed of 896 meters per second. They are DESIGNED to kill, maim or simply destroy an intended target be they human, animal or inanimate object. This country is full of people who worship and fetishize guns. We live in a truly frightening time...

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rick424

Feb-18-13 3:35 PM

The first comment never mention what type of weapon, the second comment clarified that. You just read into the first comment as to your liking. I believe what I believe. If you don't like, too bad. Rest assured the gun lobby would never let anything like that happen, so don't get your panties in a bunch and chill.

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eriklatranyi

Feb-18-13 2:38 PM

Chayes:

"This is a debate about public safety, not rights."

So, you would agree that the safety of all those fetuses outweights a woman's right to choose?

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CHayes

Feb-18-13 12:57 PM

" You said if I was trained it was fine with you that I carry one. Now you want to limit that right, but no other right."

This is a debate about public safety, not rights. If you don't like to have to be concerned about public safety, I'm sure there's a secluded island somewhere with your name on it.

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eriklatranyi

Feb-18-13 12:51 PM

rick424:

Another liberal who wants to tell other people what they "need".

Your arrogance is ugly.

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enigma

Feb-18-13 12:00 PM

Rick424, What you're telling me is that you cannot even maintain consistency from one comment to another. You said if I was trained it was fine with you that I carry one. Now you want to limit that right, but no other right. How can you not see the hypocricy in this? You don't need to vote, but you have that right. Maybe we don't need 'assault weapons', but we have that right. As for you not needing a gun, I hope that you are right. I would rather have one and not need it than to need one and not have it, and I sincerely hope that the money I spend on training is wasted, just like I hope the money I spend on homeowners insurance is wasted. I respect your right to choose to be a victim, please respect my right to defend myself.

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rick424

Feb-18-13 10:39 AM

enigma, I too was trained, fired them all, even got the sharpshooters badge to boot. But I do not own a weapon now, I have no need for one. No, I feel assault weapons are a no go. There is no need for one. If you are a collector then it should be restricted in the amount of rounds it can hold. Just my thought. As for voting? that is a thin argument but I see your point. If people were to be educated in the process the republicans would be a thing of the past. I was one and then I started really getting in to politics. It did not take long to see my error in life. But to compare guns with voter ID is stretching it to say the least. Especially since that last voter ID comments were a ploy by the republicans. Gee how come we haven't heard a word about voter IDs since the last election?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-18-13 9:36 AM

Who told you this? Can you show it to me in the regulations? I suggest that you go do a search in the PA Code.

Google "www*pacode*com+secure+data+067+067toc*html" where you replace each * with a "." and each + with a "/"

TITLE 67 -TRANSPORTATION

CHAPTER 79. RESTRICTIONS ON DRIVERS’ LICENSES

§ 79.2. Loss of arm or leg. - Except as provided in § 79.3 (relating to use of prosthesis), the driver’s license issued to a person who has lost one or more limbs shall be coded to indicate the type of special controls or equipment required on any vehicle driven by such person, as follows:

(3) Left arm amputated above or below the elbow:

(ii) Knob on the steering wheel.

(4) A right arm amputated above or below the elbow:

(ii) Knob on the steering wheel.

There appears to be no restriction on suicide knob; in fact it is an acceptable mechanical aid for those that are missing a portion of their arm.

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enigma

Feb-18-13 9:34 AM

Chuck, You misunderstand (what's new). I beleive that everyone who wants to own a gun should learn how to use it safely. I also believe that anyone who intends to vote should educate themselves not only on the issues, but on the constitution and the candidates who are running. While I believe that is what people should do, I also believe that the government cannot restrict either right because the person did not educate themselves. That's called freedom, they have the right to be stupid. I wish they would not exercise that right, but it is their right. You wish I would not excercise my right to keep and bear arms, but it is my right and you have no right to try to take it away. But don't worry, unless you pose an immediate threat to my life you will never even know that I am armed.

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enigma

Feb-18-13 9:23 AM

Rick424,"You want a weapon, buy it, train like the military or police, register it, get a license and you are good to go."

So, you're good with me having any weapon I want? You see, I was trained by the military on a large number of weapons. Now if you see me on the street with an AR15 you won't need to freak out, I'm trained.

But you intentionally missed the point. You want to require training, but you want the person to pay for it himself. You didn't have that same requirement for voter ID. If it would cost a person anything then it was wrong. Should we issue concealed carry permits for free to those who can't afford to pay for it? Should we require training and pay for it for those who can't pay for it themselves? It is hypocritical to guarantee the right to vote, but not the right to bear arms. I'm fine with requiring a person to pay their own way on both, but you seem to want to pick and choose.

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CMReeder

Feb-18-13 9:14 AM

You don't need training on how to shoot.

Way to go there enigma. Always looking out for the poor! LOL

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enigma

Feb-18-13 9:13 AM

CHayes,"Driving is most certainly not a right."

One of the rare occasions when I agree with Chris. This is definitly an apples and oranges comparison. Because gun ownership is a right, no restrictions should be put on it for law abiding citizens. While I do not think that a person should even be required to have a permit to carry a weapon (as in Vermont, which has a very low gun violence rate), if the state is going to unconstitutionally regulate it, it should at least do it intelligently. PA is a 'shall issue' state meaning that any law abiding citizen that applies for a concealed carry permit, must be issued one. With the exception of two or three states that require no permit at all, this is the least amount of infringment in the country. I know that this is a right that many would rather we didn't have, but unless the Constitution is changed we must protect this right like we would any other, or we will give license to the government to take any right with the same ease

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rick424

Feb-18-13 9:08 AM

"What if a person is poor.." Then how the heck do they have the money to buy a weapon? You want a weapon, buy it, train like the military or police, register it, get a license and you are good to go. Then every year take a test at a range and a refresher course. If you want it that bad you will do it.

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enigma

Feb-18-13 8:36 AM

While I have no objection in principle to having a requirement for a gun safety class with range training in order to obtain a concealed carry permit, the question arises, who would pay for it? What if a person is poor and can't pay for the class, or doesn't have transportation to the class. It is their constitutional right to bear arms and the cost of the class would be an infringement on that right. Isn't that the argument that liberals used against voter ID? Why is it OK to infringe on one right and not another?

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eriklatranyi

Feb-18-13 8:20 AM

Don thinks he is clever.

In reality, he is a fool.

The same comparison can be made with free speech, freedom of religion and a number of other enumerated, natural rights of man.

Don is clearly not intelligent enough to understand that if he does not like the Second Amendment, there is a way to change it.

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Don521

Feb-18-13 7:41 AM

Bazinga!

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CHayes

Feb-18-13 7:11 AM

"Francine, I think the knob is needed because it is their right to own one"

Driving is most certainly not a right.

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