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February 18, 2013

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blazecee

Feb-19-13 3:12 PM

How many lives are saved because sales of wine and the hard stuff are controlled by the PLCB stores? But when such are available at mini-marts from minimum-wage youth, we may find out.

When marijuana is legalized, we will also need the kind of control the liquor stores provide.

And the profits stay in Pennsylvania.

And in the present system, safety and corruption are better monitored.

Call me a liberal, but often the private sector does not do things better than government. Competition does not always lead to better quality and lower prices.But that's another discussion.

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Brew4U

Feb-19-13 10:57 AM

Don't matter to me,I'm still going to Delaware or Maryland.Keep your high prices PLCB and I'll keep saving the change.Time to get out of the cave PLCB.

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CHayes

Feb-18-13 9:23 PM

"I agree the state should close its Wine & Spirits stores. Taxpayers would save millions in expenses from paying leases, rentals, utilities, wages, and benefits."

Isn't that true of all businesses? If every business in the US shut down, just think of all the money the owners would save on wages, benefits, electric bills, and the like. Oh yeah, they don't get the profits from the business then either.

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gavinf56

Feb-18-13 4:24 PM

Then why hasn't that happened with beer distributors?

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superduper

Feb-18-13 2:58 PM

Please point me to a "Mom and Pop" who will be able to afford one of the new liquor licences that will be sold.

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eriklatranyi

Feb-18-13 2:35 PM

rick424:

I will buy where my tastes are served and the price is the best.

If I only drink cheap, then I will buy at Walmart.

If I drink expensive, then I will buy at a mom & pop.

Other states have a mix of stores, from small to large, from cheap to upscale.

Only a liberal believes in one-size-fits-all.

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rick424

Feb-18-13 1:37 PM

Erik are you going to buy that liquor at the mom and pop store for 10 dollars or the chain store for 5 dollars. Personally I don't care if the privatize or not. It just seems to be working the way it is. Just what is wrong with it?

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WillAcker

Feb-18-13 12:55 PM

@CMreeder. No they don't control who can buy.unless you mean they don't let 16yo buy. There is a federal minimum age. Any competent adult can buy alcohol in any state. Local ordinances control the "where you can buy" if they so choose. The state(s) do not make dry counties or towns, the locals in those communities do.

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eriklatranyi

Feb-18-13 12:47 PM

It is laughable that liberals resist the creation of mom & pop liquor stores while railing against corporations.

It is laughable that liberals oppose privatized liquor sales but support privatized marijuana sales.

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CMReeder

Feb-18-13 12:28 PM

What about the counties that are 'dry' and want to stay that way?

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CMReeder

Feb-18-13 12:27 PM

"@CMReeder, Not all states "control" the sale of liquor in the way you mean. They control the taxation, licensing and regulation but only 17 have their hand in the retail or wholesale end."

They control who can sell, who can buy, when you can buy and where you can buy. They control the buying and selling of all alcohol. All fifty states.

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WillAcker

Feb-18-13 12:23 PM

@CMReeder, Not all states "control" the sale of liquor in the way you mean. They control the taxation, licensing and regulation but only 17 have their hand in the retail or wholesale end.

@hithere, the PLCB does not have 5000 employees. A third are part time too. A liquor store on every corner...really? With only 1200 licenses that wouldn't even be a liquor store on every corner in Williamsport.

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gavinf56

Feb-18-13 12:05 PM

"Not to mention do we really want a liquor store on every corner?" - hithere

Just like there are drunken shoppers walking all around Wegman's, right?

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jeff33

Feb-18-13 11:26 AM

"ASIAN INDIANS" Are waiting! They pay alot! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

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rick424

Feb-18-13 10:43 AM

What I read was that was just from the sales at the liquor stores. Can't verify that but that is what the article said. It was not from some left wing publication either. Since I made the statement I will look further into it, if I am wrong I will admit it.

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enigma

Feb-18-13 10:36 AM

Rick424,"I read that in 2011 the PLCB bought in $494 million in profits."

Notice it says PLCB and not liquor stores. The PLCB collects the taxes on the booze, so it is not really profit, it is taxes, but that's all the same to government and liberals. Do you think for one minute that if the stores really brought in money, that any politician of any party would want to sell them? The only reason that any politician wants to maintain ownership of these stores is for control. They don't make money, they're no intended to make money and they will never make money for the state. Those who believe that the prices will go up are just proving that the state can't possibly be making any money from them now. Get the government out of the booze business, or any other business for that matter.

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richardson

Feb-18-13 10:17 AM

Eric88 Calling welfare people "trash"? You're out of line, Sir.

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CMReeder

Feb-18-13 9:06 AM

You better do your research Tedeaux it is not 48 states and all of the states have Liquor control boards. Even the states that do not operate their own stores to sell liquor, wine and beer control the sale of it.

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hithere

Feb-18-13 9:02 AM

5000 men and women work for the PLCB. They have family sustaining jobs with decent benefits that DOES NOT come from tax payers money. Why change that into minimum wage crap jobs? Not to mention do we really want a liquor store on every corner?

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rick424

Feb-18-13 9:00 AM

Since I don't drink, I really don't care. But some simple research shows how some of the big chain liquor stores like Total Wine & More pay there employees crap. Of course the little mom and pop stores won't stand a chance. But nobody cares about that. They just want a cheap high. I read that in 2011 the PLCB bought in $494 million in profits. Sounds like this is just another Governor Corporate way of killing unions. Keep it the way it is, in my opinion.

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WillAcker

Feb-18-13 8:23 AM

While some states do run wholesale operations in the case of PA it won't make that big a change in how many PLCB employees there are if the stores are privatized, There just aren't that many people who work in the warehouses. Better to clean house and stsrt from scratch..

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enigma

Feb-18-13 8:15 AM

If, as the writer suggests, the state were to continue to buy and warehouse wine and liquor, but not sell it, what would they do with it all? How exactly would that work? In fairness, it does sound like the kind of idea that our government might come up with.

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eriklatranyi

Feb-18-13 8:13 AM

Only a liberal could believe that a gov't run business can make money.

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eric88

Feb-18-13 8:04 AM

Copypaste Hayes--PA needs more low paying, minimum wage jobs with no benefits, so they might be able to pay 50 cents less

Hayes with almost half of the state budget being devoured by welfare trash taxpayer funded theft programs, there has to be cuts made somewhere. Can't touch the loyal D-lever puller welfare trash so the state has to look elsewhere..

Why are you commenting here? Paul Krugman hasn't offered an opinion on this matter.. Or have you found a new inspiration to copy paste?

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gavinf56

Feb-18-13 7:36 AM

So Chris, is it thousands of minimum wage jobs or hundreds of small businesses that will be created?

The first thing everyone needs to do is get that picture of the seedy liquor store with the iron bars over the window and doors out of their head. That's not the way most privately owned stores look and the selection will still be there.

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