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February 18, 2013

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Tedeaux

Feb-18-13 4:08 AM

By selling the state run liquor outlets to private companies won't decrease the amount of taxes that the state collects on spirits. However, it would decrease the number of state employees and their pensions that have a cost that the private companies can pick up the tab on. This isn't rocket science, licensed private liquor sales works well in about 48 other states

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eriklatranyi

Feb-18-13 5:40 AM

The writer is totally wrong.

While the PLCB mandated that Pennsylvania wineries make their product only from Pennsylvania-grown grapes (while other states had a surplus) the State Stores purchased french wines and bottled it under their own label in direct competition with local wineries.

The state store system has never benefitted Pennsylvanians unless you worked there.

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eric88

Feb-18-13 6:10 AM

Ever notice that government union employees suddenly get worried about taxpayer savings when their job is on the line? Turn to those that they are screwing for pity?

Taxpayers will save sir. No more archaic pensions or grossly overpaid clerks. Not to mention poor selection and slowski clerks.

This lte brought to you by your local liquor retail store union.

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CHayes

Feb-18-13 7:01 AM

So according to the general consensus of right wingers here in the comments section, PA needs more low paying, minimum wage jobs with no benefits, so they might be able to pay 50 cents less to get drunk, and they're willing to surrender a ton of state revenue to achieve their goal. That makes sense.

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spike2

Feb-18-13 7:04 AM

PA wine is never very good!

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gavinf56

Feb-18-13 7:36 AM

So Chris, is it thousands of minimum wage jobs or hundreds of small businesses that will be created?

The first thing everyone needs to do is get that picture of the seedy liquor store with the iron bars over the window and doors out of their head. That's not the way most privately owned stores look and the selection will still be there.

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eric88

Feb-18-13 8:04 AM

Copypaste Hayes--PA needs more low paying, minimum wage jobs with no benefits, so they might be able to pay 50 cents less

Hayes with almost half of the state budget being devoured by welfare trash taxpayer funded theft programs, there has to be cuts made somewhere. Can't touch the loyal D-lever puller welfare trash so the state has to look elsewhere..

Why are you commenting here? Paul Krugman hasn't offered an opinion on this matter.. Or have you found a new inspiration to copy paste?

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eriklatranyi

Feb-18-13 8:13 AM

Only a liberal could believe that a gov't run business can make money.

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enigma

Feb-18-13 8:15 AM

If, as the writer suggests, the state were to continue to buy and warehouse wine and liquor, but not sell it, what would they do with it all? How exactly would that work? In fairness, it does sound like the kind of idea that our government might come up with.

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WillAcker

Feb-18-13 8:23 AM

While some states do run wholesale operations in the case of PA it won't make that big a change in how many PLCB employees there are if the stores are privatized, There just aren't that many people who work in the warehouses. Better to clean house and stsrt from scratch..

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rick424

Feb-18-13 9:00 AM

Since I don't drink, I really don't care. But some simple research shows how some of the big chain liquor stores like Total Wine & More pay there employees crap. Of course the little mom and pop stores won't stand a chance. But nobody cares about that. They just want a cheap high. I read that in 2011 the PLCB bought in $494 million in profits. Sounds like this is just another Governor Corporate way of killing unions. Keep it the way it is, in my opinion.

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hithere

Feb-18-13 9:02 AM

5000 men and women work for the PLCB. They have family sustaining jobs with decent benefits that DOES NOT come from tax payers money. Why change that into minimum wage crap jobs? Not to mention do we really want a liquor store on every corner?

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CMReeder

Feb-18-13 9:06 AM

You better do your research Tedeaux it is not 48 states and all of the states have Liquor control boards. Even the states that do not operate their own stores to sell liquor, wine and beer control the sale of it.

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richardson

Feb-18-13 10:17 AM

Eric88 Calling welfare people "trash"? You're out of line, Sir.

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enigma

Feb-18-13 10:36 AM

Rick424,"I read that in 2011 the PLCB bought in $494 million in profits."

Notice it says PLCB and not liquor stores. The PLCB collects the taxes on the booze, so it is not really profit, it is taxes, but that's all the same to government and liberals. Do you think for one minute that if the stores really brought in money, that any politician of any party would want to sell them? The only reason that any politician wants to maintain ownership of these stores is for control. They don't make money, they're no intended to make money and they will never make money for the state. Those who believe that the prices will go up are just proving that the state can't possibly be making any money from them now. Get the government out of the booze business, or any other business for that matter.

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rick424

Feb-18-13 10:43 AM

What I read was that was just from the sales at the liquor stores. Can't verify that but that is what the article said. It was not from some left wing publication either. Since I made the statement I will look further into it, if I am wrong I will admit it.

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jeff33

Feb-18-13 11:26 AM

"ASIAN INDIANS" Are waiting! They pay alot! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

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gavinf56

Feb-18-13 12:05 PM

"Not to mention do we really want a liquor store on every corner?" - hithere

Just like there are drunken shoppers walking all around Wegman's, right?

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WillAcker

Feb-18-13 12:23 PM

@CMReeder, Not all states "control" the sale of liquor in the way you mean. They control the taxation, licensing and regulation but only 17 have their hand in the retail or wholesale end.

@hithere, the PLCB does not have 5000 employees. A third are part time too. A liquor store on every corner...really? With only 1200 licenses that wouldn't even be a liquor store on every corner in Williamsport.

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CMReeder

Feb-18-13 12:27 PM

"@CMReeder, Not all states "control" the sale of liquor in the way you mean. They control the taxation, licensing and regulation but only 17 have their hand in the retail or wholesale end."

They control who can sell, who can buy, when you can buy and where you can buy. They control the buying and selling of all alcohol. All fifty states.

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CMReeder

Feb-18-13 12:28 PM

What about the counties that are 'dry' and want to stay that way?

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eriklatranyi

Feb-18-13 12:47 PM

It is laughable that liberals resist the creation of mom & pop liquor stores while railing against corporations.

It is laughable that liberals oppose privatized liquor sales but support privatized marijuana sales.

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WillAcker

Feb-18-13 12:55 PM

@CMreeder. No they don't control who can buy.unless you mean they don't let 16yo buy. There is a federal minimum age. Any competent adult can buy alcohol in any state. Local ordinances control the "where you can buy" if they so choose. The state(s) do not make dry counties or towns, the locals in those communities do.

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rick424

Feb-18-13 1:37 PM

Erik are you going to buy that liquor at the mom and pop store for 10 dollars or the chain store for 5 dollars. Personally I don't care if the privatize or not. It just seems to be working the way it is. Just what is wrong with it?

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eriklatranyi

Feb-18-13 2:35 PM

rick424:

I will buy where my tastes are served and the price is the best.

If I only drink cheap, then I will buy at Walmart.

If I drink expensive, then I will buy at a mom & pop.

Other states have a mix of stores, from small to large, from cheap to upscale.

Only a liberal believes in one-size-fits-all.

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