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Immigration

February 19, 2013

As a second generation American, I feel I need to express my views on immigration as I lived them. My grandparents can from Czechoslovakia and Hungary....

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USABorn

Feb-21-13 8:52 AM

BornHere - 7:11 PM

"If no one was allowed to come to the USA there would basically be no America as you know it."

And with amnesty and chain migration, there will be no America as we know it.

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USABorn

Feb-21-13 8:45 AM

We have a population of 314,000,000. There are 20-35 million illegals. Give them amnesty, which leads to citizenship, which then leads to chain migration.

In other words, once a citizen, each can then sponsor others......parents, spouses, kids, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins, friends. Once they become citizens, they too can sponsor.....and on and on.......hence the moniker CHAIN MIGRATION!

Bear in mind that the federal government admits that 80% of the illegals are from Mexico. (And don't forget the millions that came here LEGALLY!)

Eighty % of 20-35 million sponsoring = the new extended Mexico in 25 -30 years. No southern border at all and the state legislatures and U.S. congress run by hispanics.

And if you disbelieve this, you have your head buried in the sand!

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CHayes

Feb-20-13 4:33 PM

Isn't the addiction to outrage, and the desire for everyone to be carbon copies of the next person so apparent in the level of outrage people feel by simply having to hear a language besides English spoken? And at the heart of it, that's what this is all about. It's not about "tax dollars" it's about people being angry when they hear a language they can't understand. If it was about tax dollars, then we wouldn't have the outrage over people having to "press 1 for English".

It's also apparent when you hit the button for espanol at the supermarket self checkout. Just hit the button sometime, and look around. I personally find it hilarious.

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pinecr

Feb-20-13 2:47 PM

Great letter. If they don't want to learn english, then let them leave. What a waste of taxpayer dollars to hire spanish speaking teachers for the kids who can't speak english.

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CMReeder

Feb-20-13 9:22 AM

"If no one was allowed to come to the USA there would basically be no America as you know it."

How very true and well written.

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CHayes

Feb-20-13 6:26 AM

"By the gov't spending the millions to print all sorts of information in their native lanugage rather than forcing these new immigrants to learn the language or partner with bilingual Americans."

Yes! How illogical to print a form in the language that's spoken by the person the form is intended to be filled out by. Everyone knows that all govt forms should be printed in Latin.

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gavinf56

Feb-20-13 6:01 AM

I cannot address the social services issue without knowing the illegal immigrant facts.

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gavinf56

Feb-20-13 5:54 AM

Thanks for the response Erik.

This is what gets confusing, because the form to apply for Citizenship (Form N-400) is in English only, as are all the supporting forms, checklists, etc. They are all available at the USCIS website and you can check them out yourself because it has become readily apparent that few here have had to fill them out let alone seen them.

The only form that comes in different languages regarding immigration is the "Welcome to the United States: A Guide for New Immigrants" (Form M-617).

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eriklatranyi

Feb-20-13 5:19 AM

gavinf45 asked:

"Just interested Erik, how do we cater to their needs and coddle them?"

By the gov't spending the millions to print all sorts of information in their native lanugage rather than forcing these new immigrants to learn the language or partner with bilingual Americans.

By providing a social services for them. If you are a legal immigrant, you must prove your financial ability to stand on your own or be sponsored by a citizen. If you are illegal, you prove nothing and receive benefits. We have prisoners collecting unemployment, so we can safety say we have illegals collecting as well.

Bottom line, we make it too easy for immigrants today versus those that came 50+ years ago, making them weaker citizens and less appreciative of this amazing nation.

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gavinf56

Feb-19-13 7:28 PM

cont'd... to others they would not be.

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gavinf56

Feb-19-13 7:15 PM

...and now I have to ask, what is the time frame for learning English? 6 mo, 1 year, 2 years?

...and then knowing that each language have sounds involving unique movements of the muscles controlling the mouth, tongue, and vocal chords and as we age it becomes difficult to hear and differentiate those subtle differences let alone mimic them, at what point do we say someone has mastered the language to the point suitable enough for us to understand.

No matter how hard you try, you will very rarely get an Asian to pronounce the letter "R". It's just not a sound that is in their vocabulary and they have never learned to pronounce, just as many here in the US cannot properly roll our "R's".

I am around people who have immigrated here all the time and have very little trouble understanding what they have to say, others who have had very little exposure stand around dumbfounded. At this level of understanding are they proficient or not? To me they are, to others they w

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BornHere

Feb-19-13 7:11 PM

If no one was allowed to come to the USA there would basically be no America as you know it.

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Bufftrev1

Feb-19-13 6:24 PM

Hi enigma- yes, my friends all spoke english, that is how we communicated as I endeavoured to learn bits of their language. When you say 'our' culture, I assume you mean the part Irish, part english, part german, part mexican, part native american, part chinese and part countless other divergent cultures that encompasses the whole that is americana? Perhaps you'll want to re-open your case..

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gavinf56

Feb-19-13 6:19 PM

Just interested Erik, how do we cater to their needs and coddle them?

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eriklatranyi

Feb-19-13 6:01 PM

I am first generation Hungarian.

In the past, this nation did not provide all the assistance we give today. While we have never had an official language, immigrants were forced to learn if they wanted to work.

As noted by some, we did not print information in other languages, we did not provide assistance, interpreters, etc.

If you came to this country (legally or illegally) you were forced to assimilate into our culture. This never meant you left your culture behind. This nation embraces other cultures and promotes individuality like no other nation.

That is why we have so many great artists, designers, chefs, executives,e etc.

Today, we coddle immigrants (legal and illegal), cater to their needs and slow their assimilation into our culture, making us a weaker culture.

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enigma

Feb-19-13 5:56 PM

Buff, I assume all of these friend spoke English reasonably well. That allowed them to become part of our culture and to speak to you about the culture they left. I rest my case. It is good for people who come to this country to speak English.

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Bufftrev1

Feb-19-13 5:33 PM

And, regarding your liberals and outlawing comment, I don't think that is true. I don't generally like conservatives but I don't think they should be outlawed. And although I also disagree with the notion that the free market is the end-all, be-all, I would agree that the market is currently working regarding republican politicians.. one example of the market you advocate handling these things. Adios!

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Bufftrev1

Feb-19-13 5:28 PM

Hi enigma..my friend Banchi was my friend, we spent time together immersed in conversation about her ethiopian heritage, as I was enthralled. My friend Andrew was my krav maga partner for four years, we traded blood and sweat and I regard him as highly as anyone I've known.. he is from Peru. My friend Simieon and I rode mtn bikes, ate food and watched football together for 10 years.. he is Filipino. It's really that simple, mi amigo..

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enigma

Feb-19-13 4:47 PM

blazecee, I didn't see anyone who wanted to outlaw, as you put it, the alternative language button on the phone. That would be an intrution by the government into something they have no business in. And I don't think that anyone has a problem with having one. The problem people have is in having to press a button for English. It should be the default. It is a liberal idea that anything you don't like should be outlawed. We conservatives let the marketplace handle these things.

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eric88

Feb-19-13 3:11 PM

Official language of the left is "whining".

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blazecee

Feb-19-13 2:52 PM

Let's hang onto Puerto Rico, if only for strategic reasons. We can use English as the semi-official language for most places where the business is conducted, but there are places(PR being one)and communities where important info should be conveyed also in the predominant language. Restricting traffic signs is no problem, but outlawing an alternative language button on the phone is unkind to both business and the caller, who may be more adept in Spanish.

Iroquoian is a very difficult language, with many more tenses than English, which means that it can express some things that most of can't.

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enigma

Feb-19-13 12:27 PM

Buff, I have a question for you. You say that you came to appreciate the Hispanic food, music and culture. Is that all that immigrants mean to you? These are people. I also like many ethnic foods, but to me these are people. They are not Hispanic people or Chinese people or any other specification people, they are people, just like me. I want the best for them, just like I want the best for me. I will not use them so that I will have a nice ethnic neighborhood to visit. You seem to value them only for the diversity they can add to you diet. I'll ask again, is that all they mean to you?

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enigma

Feb-19-13 11:43 AM

Buff, I speak to many immigrants. Most of them are furious about the illegal immigration. They also agree with me on the learning to speak English. NYC used to be part of my territory,including Chinatown, Little Italy, Spanish Harlem etc. Many of my customers were immigrants who learned the language and started their own business. Even in the ghettos, most of my customers did not live there because they assimilated. They wanted to be part of this country not just live in this country. That's what I want for all immigrants. I would never facilitate them trapping themselves in a ghetto. One of my favorite customers was a Russian Jew whose father brought him here as a child to escape Communism. He asked me one day, where he could take his children to escape the Communism he sees coming here. That spoke volumes.

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Tgrammiex4

Feb-19-13 11:35 AM

You shouldn't have to push 1 for english. What does it cost the gov't. and business to print everything in spanish? Why are schools paying for teachers to teach in other languages rather than teach kids english first? Why are American companies sending thier customer service dept. to other countries and when you call you can't understand them? My grandfather came here from Portugal almost 90 yrs. ago. The 1st thing he did was learn english. I only ever heard him speak portugese when he & his brother would get together. That language requires using your hands too,LOL.

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wwhickok

Feb-19-13 11:13 AM

BTW, I want to make it clear, the problem as far as language, that I have is not two people near me speaking so I can't understand them. The problem I have is having to attempt to communicate with someone who can't speak a single word of english. If they're talking to someone in their language who understands them, what's the issue? The issue is when they are trying to communicate with someone that is english speaking that doesn't speak their lanuage.

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