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Re: killing babies

February 23, 2013

In his op-ed piece “What would the babies say”, Bill O’Reilly “is puzzled that liberal people are so callous when it comes to aborting fetuses”....

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mikekerstetter

Feb-23-13 4:01 AM

If, as Ms Hopper alludes to, abortion was limited to 'the health and well being' of the mother, she would find little resistance. If the mothers health is in imminent danger there would be very few who would argue against that decision.

But the problem lies in that abortion is far too often, (the vast majority of abortions) used as a form of birth control.

And her comment that we should make birth control more available is laughable. Many clinics give free birth control, and the pill is relatively inexpensive. Not to mention that ******s are available just about everywhere. How can someone who did reproductive health counseling imply that birth control is hard to get?

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mikekerstetter

Feb-23-13 4:02 AM

Really? *c o n d o m s* is a 'bad word'?

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mikekerstetter

Feb-23-13 4:05 AM

And it didn't take out the S. Wonder if you can say ******inium?

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mikekerstetter

Feb-23-13 4:06 AM

C o n d o minium is also a bad word, LOL

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Tgrammiex4

Feb-23-13 4:13 AM

Mike, you just saved me alot of typing,LOL.I agree.One other question. Why is it ok for a woman to kill her baby(or fetus or whatever other term they want to use to imply it's not a baby yet)but if a pregnant woman is killed the murderer can be charged with 2 murders? Why is it not considered a baby when the mother does the killing but it is considered a baby if anyone else kills it?

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Tgrammiex4

Feb-23-13 4:37 AM

Here is an anology (maybe odd) but I think relevant. You have a car,the gas gauge is almost on empty. You have no money for gas.You want to go visit a friend 20 mi. away. Do you take the chance of getting stranded somewhere or do you park the car? If you don't want a baby and have no birth control, why would you have sex? Are women uncapable of exercising self control and common sense? It's one thing if you are forced, that is rape. Everyone knows that pregnancy can be the consequence of having sex. Why is it so hard for people to use self control? If you're out of gas don't drive the car!!

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sideliner

Feb-23-13 5:57 AM

Grammie, in a perfect world, abstinence is the perfect birth control, but that is not the world in which you and I live. To simply sit back and say, "I told you so. Now deal with it. "to a couple with an unplanned pregnancy is unrealistic and creates more problems than it solves.

Abortion should remain safe, legal, and the sole domain of the woman and her physician.

Why is it anti-big government conservatives want to extend their reach into this extremely private area?

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Tedeaux

Feb-23-13 6:24 AM

With that kind of thinking Sideliner, why is murder illegal? It's about the same thing.....and as for the letter writer, there is a special place where all of the pro-abortion councilors in the world shall go at the end of there days. I hope you think it was worth your immortal soul to sell out the lives of the innocent unborn children. May God have mercy on you for what you've done!

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Ritty77

Feb-23-13 6:43 AM

"Mr. O'Reilly, how about all the innocent people, including children, killed in war? Our government has recently killed many innocent people (albeit unintentionally) in Iraq and Afghanistan."

The key word in this irrelevant argument (straw man)is "unintentionally."

"Our government, while lamenting the loss of innocent lives, justifies these attacks as necessary to protect our nation's citizens from dangerous threats. How is this different than a woman choosing to end a pregnancy because it threatens her well being or her life?"

Because it's a pathetic argument to equate being pregnant with a threat worthy of war.

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CHayes

Feb-23-13 7:13 AM

"If, as Ms Hopper alludes to, abortion was limited to 'the health and well being' of the mother, she would find little resistance."

Yes indeed, "little resistance" from the party that has a growing faction that wants to outlaw all forms of birth control. "Little resistance" from a party that all jetted back to DC from recess because a husband was going to pull the plug on his wife in FL, his wife that had been in a vegetative state for years, and whose brain had shriveled to the size of a walnut.

Great idea for you going forward. If you think a one week old embryo is the same as a college grad, then don't have an abortion. But understand there are people that have a little stronger footing than you in both reality, and science that disagree, and their medical care is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

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philunderwood

Feb-23-13 7:16 AM

We have birth control, we have morning after pills and we have personal responsibility for one’s actions. These should eliminate the need for abortions at any stage of pregnancy. But if we’re going to compromise, then let’s limit abortions to early term rather than support them up to a full birth?

Why do some have to go to the extreme by arguing for full term abortions?

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mikekerstetter

Feb-23-13 7:19 AM

chayes-"and their medical care is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS."

It is if they are using my tax dollars for it.

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philunderwood

Feb-23-13 7:19 AM

Chris, does that strong footing in reality lead you to believe that a ninth month fetus is just a bunch of cells without a right to life?

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mikekerstetter

Feb-23-13 7:21 AM

CHayes-"Yes indeed, "little resistance" from the party that has a growing faction that wants to outlaw all forms of birth control."

Really, what party is that? Any references to back up your claim, or is it the usual case of you said it so we should believe it?

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mikekerstetter

Feb-23-13 7:27 AM

Chayes-"from a party that all jetted back to DC from recess because a husband was going to pull the plug on his wife in FL, his wife that had been in a vegetative state for years, and whose brain had shriveled to the size of a walnut."

Pull the plug? You mean pull the feeding tube and allow her to starve to death. But if 'pulling the plug' makes you feel better about what happened, please go ahead and use your misleading terminology.

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CHayes

Feb-23-13 7:35 AM

"Chris, does that strong footing in reality lead you to believe that a ninth month fetus is just a bunch of cells without a right to life?"

You mean the 9 month old fetus that has a fully formed infants brain? You understand it isn't legal to have an abortion when you're 9 months pregnant, right Phil?

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bryan48

Feb-23-13 7:36 AM

You can be anti-abortion and pro-death penalty, but it is pure hypocrisy to claim to be pro-life and pro-death penalty. Government's role is not to play God.

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CHayes

Feb-23-13 7:36 AM

"Really, what party is that? Any references to back up your claim, or is it the usual case of you said it so we should believe it?"

[cough-Rick Santorum-cough]

And if that doesn't get you there Mike, there's this fantastic new tool called google. You go to this web page, and you type in what you're looking for, then hit enter.

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Tgrammiex4

Feb-23-13 7:44 AM

I know a woman who has 3 kids. She's also had 3 abortions. I wonder how she dicided which ones were "keepers" and which weren't? The keepers all have different fathers.Our tax dollars paid for all of them.

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mikekerstetter

Feb-23-13 7:58 AM

Rick Santorum-"“I was asked if I believed in it, and I said, ‘No, I’m a Catholic, and I don’t.’ I don’t want the government to fund it through Planned Parenthood, but that’s different than wanting to ban it; the idea I’m coming after your birth control is absurd. I was making a statement about my moral beliefs, but I won’t impose them on anyone else in this case."

So much for that one. And since when is Santorum a whole political party?

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Tedeaux

Feb-23-13 8:00 AM

The woman obviously doesn't have access to low cost birth control, Grammie. You should immediately take money out of your pocket and drive her down to the corner store and buy her a gross of rubber birth control devices before she kills somebody else with lack of self control! Maybe after three abortions, she should consider getting sterilized!

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eriklatranyi

Feb-23-13 8:10 AM

First, soliders are volunteers and aborted babies have no not..

Second, liberals defend a woman's right to choose an abortion, but not a woman's right to choose a semi-automatic rifle for self defense.

After all, if a woman is disarmed and gets raped, liberals tell her that she can now choose an abortion.

If a woman wants a 16oz soda, she is not allowed a choice for her own body.

If a woman is a nun and does not want to pay for contraceptives (for herself nor anyone else), liberals do not give her a choice.

Liberals give no choices to women other than abortion.

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gavinf56

Feb-23-13 8:12 AM

"Why do some have to go to the extreme by arguing for full term abortions?" - philunderwood

Because this argument is just like the "gun control" debate. For those ardent supporters of abortion, they feel that once they ban late term abortions, it's the slippery slope that will eventually lead to the banning of all abortions.

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CMReeder

Feb-23-13 8:15 AM

Excellent letter!

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MrShaman

Feb-23-13 8:24 AM

"To simply sit back and say, "I told you so. Now deal with it. "to a couple with an unplanned pregnancy is unrealistic and creates more problems than it solves." - sideliner

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You're (of course) assuming that those ("moralists"), with such a sadistic-nature, are even concerned with anyone (else's) long-term problems.

Too-often, it appears, their primary-concern is "fixing" those folks who (they perceive) are having more fun, than them. Setting-up a (possible) worst-case-scenario, for child-abuse, is the last thing on their mind, as well.

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