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Obamacare

February 23, 2013

We as Americans are about to see change to this country that we never in our wildest imaginations ever thought possible, and seemingly, we can do nothing to stop it....

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CHayes

Feb-24-13 10:46 AM

" "As if I didn't have enough money to adequately heat my home"

Why then were you whinning about it in every other post back then? Was it to gather smypathy? That's something liberal are good at."

Beautiful job there Breitbart, of selectively editing what I said in attempt to alter the meaning. But of course what I actually said was that the fact that I didn't have enough money to properly heat my home last winter, should be a pretty clear indication that I was spending 100% of the money I was receiving from UC pretty rapidly. And if I was "spending" the money, it was by definition moving from my bank acct, into the bank accts of various businesses.

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Premier

Feb-24-13 9:44 AM

"As if I didn't have enough money to adequately heat my home"

Why then were you whinning about it in every other post back then? Was it to gather smypathy? That's something liberal are good at.

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Premier

Feb-24-13 7:43 AM

Hayes please quit pretending that you know how the economy works or what it takes to create jobs.

It's all about common sense, something most liberals lack.

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CHayes

Feb-24-13 6:22 AM

"People on UC spend their money on bills, food and utilities. They are not out buying durable goods."

Wow, I didn't know those things didn't come from businesses. Maybe you should corner a farmer with a military style assault weapon, and explain to him that he doesn't run a business. Maybe you should tell a PPL employee, or someone that works for a bank or credit card company that he doesn't actually have a job, it's all just an illusion.

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CHayes

Feb-24-13 12:02 AM

" If people are consuming without producing, the economy suffers."

If people are losing their homes, and not CONSUMING the economy ALSO suffers. THAT is why we have a social safety net called unemployment. Because it's the best solution for EVERYONE in our society. All the "production" in the world is nothing without consumption. Also hate to break it to you, but America has been on a slide to a generally service economy for a long time. How much does the average minimum wage Wal mart employee "produce" in the average workday?

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CHayes

Feb-23-13 11:58 PM

"You and every other liberal on the planet ignores the production part."

Yes we're all very lazy. But wait, I just worked 29 hours yesterday and today. How could that possibly be? How many hours have you put in in the last 48 hours?

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CHayes

Feb-23-13 11:55 PM

"Well Mr. Hayes while you were laid off you were complaining about not even having enough money to heat your house. Were you out on a shopping spree while shivering in a 55 degree home?"

Yes sir I was. I was able to buy food, and pay my bills. 100% of the UC I received went for food and bills. Without it, there would have been some hungry nights, and disconnected services in my cold house.

It's honestly kind of stupid you would ask a question like that. As if I didn't have enough money to adequately heat my home, do you think I was squirreling away unemployment checks under my mattress? ALL the money I got went right back out the door, and was used to pay salaries of employees at the companies I did business with.

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WKnapp

Feb-23-13 10:46 PM

CMReeder

Feb-23-13 7:33 PM

The total ignorance of the right is astounding.

The amazing part to me is the astoundingly stupid gullibility of the leftists, especially those on here, who, should they have brains, would know better if they paid attention and had the necessary receptors to understand the truth when it's presented to them! Such mind-numbing intentional ignorance as leftists exhibit is astonishing!

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Premier

Feb-23-13 8:06 PM

Hayes:"Nah, why would somebody having money to spend at private businesses, and spending that money promote job growth?"

Well Mr. Hayes while you were laid off you were complaining about not even having enough money to heat your house. Were you out on a shopping spree while shivering in a 55 degree home?

People on UC spend their money on bills, food and utilities. They are not out buying durable goods.

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Bufftrev1

Feb-23-13 7:50 PM

Hi enigma.. the reason I didn't refute your post is because it is unclear what point you're trying to make. That the government imposes taxes? That would be correct.. that we have a social safety net in america? 10-4, mi amigo.. that a few people take advantage of this net? Acknowledged! That some people do not produce anything in america? Ok, that is a fact.. mitt himself would seem to fall into this category, no? In fact, there are lots of people, thru savings, inheritances, living modestly, who do not work or produce anything.. Production is of primary importance but likely more so is consumption. I have two uncles who own businesses, when people are consuming their products, they employ people.. without consumption, they lay off. A cohesive point to your post is elusive..

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CMReeder

Feb-23-13 7:33 PM

The total ignorance of the right is astounding.

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nobud74

Feb-23-13 6:54 PM

With respect to the argument about UC benefits, and one could argue this would include paid govt workers also, there really is a negative effect to the expansion of both. While we need both we need to minimize them as much as possible. This is because every single recipient of UC and every govt employee is paid by tax revenues. These revenues require workers. If you do not grow the economy with private sector employees, you will not have the funds for UC and govt staff. Yes, the govt staff pays taxes, but that is just returning a portion of what was taken from the tax coffers to hire them in the first place. Think about your own tax liabilities and then think how many of you it takes to pay the wages and bennys of 1 govt staffer or UC recipient. When you think about it, it is easy to see the need to curb govt growth. It is unsustainable.

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nobud74

Feb-23-13 6:49 PM

Cheyenne, good comment!

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enigma

Feb-23-13 6:38 PM

Buff, You are correct, I am not an economics professor. That does not change the fact that everything I said is accurate. I noticed you did not point out where I was wrong. That would be difficult, because I'm not.

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Bufftrev1

Feb-23-13 5:28 PM

Probably safe to assume being an economics professor is not enigmas chosen vocation..

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enigma

Feb-23-13 4:48 PM

CHayes,"Let's put it this way. Does giving a tax break to a company promote job growth? If so why?"

Yes, Because it leaves money in the private sector which would otherwise be taken by government.

What does that have to do with the government taking money from the private sector, syphoning a large percentage of it off and returning some of it to a non-working person? Now that 'non-working' part is key. A person who is not working is not producing. The economy is based on production and comsumption. You and every other liberal on the planet ignores the production part. If people are consuming without producing, the economy suffers. It's a very easy concept. Nothing can be consumed without first being produced, so production is of primary importance. You can give away all the money in the world, but if people are not working,it will do no good. That is your economics lesson for today.

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CMReeder

Feb-23-13 4:18 PM

Fifi posted; Carlitos "Again it is amazing what the right believes."

Isn't it, hard work, honesty and self reliance are such foreign terms to liberal parasites.

That isn't what the right believes, at least not by their posts.

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CHayes

Feb-23-13 1:41 PM

Let's put it this way. Does giving a tax break to a company promote job growth? If so why?

Now follow that logic.

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CHayes

Feb-23-13 1:38 PM

" Hayes: "Money that people get from UC, is directly injected into private businesses REALLY fast."

SO THIS CREATES JOBS??"

Nah, why would somebody having money to spend at private businesses, and spending that money promote job growth?

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Premier

Feb-23-13 12:51 PM

I can't wait for the next round of BS.

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Premier

Feb-23-13 12:50 PM

Hayes: "Money that people get from UC, is directly injected into private businesses REALLY fast."

SO THIS CREATES JOBS?????

Please help me with how the liberal mindset works. So before someone got laid off, they had no money to spend? Or because they are laid off they have more time to spend money?

OMG this is laughable but I knew it was coming.

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cheyenne

Feb-23-13 12:48 PM

Rachel Maddow, the left's version of Porky Limbaugh.

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MrShaman

Feb-23-13 12:12 PM

"Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program"

Chris, does this mean if we all get laid off everyone will have a job? C'mon break out the skirt and pom poms again for us."

First off, I didn't say that. Second of all, I agree with it to a certain degree. Money that people get from UC, is directly injected into private businesses REALLY fast." - CHayes

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....i.e. LOCAL-businesses!!!!!!

You wouldn't think "conservatives" needed to be reminded those local (Mom-'n-Pop) businesses still don't barter with unemployed-people.

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MrShaman

Feb-23-13 12:04 PM

"Please make more Schoolhouse Rock episodes, and reair the old ones. Getting them on Fox "News" immediately and frequently would solve a lot of problems. Besides, I have a feeling that children's programing might have a certain appeal to the Fox demographic. It could be a win win situation." - CHayes

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You think there's a cost-effective way o' doing that??

Ya' gotta figure...there would need to be "abridged" versions of such programming...with pictures replacing the "big"-words.

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MrShaman

Feb-23-13 11:52 AM

"To come to the defense of Pelosi with this gibberish leads one to the conclusion that Mr. Hayes has a crush on Nancy."

Looks like we have a winner for this mornings rhesus monkey with a rubiks cube award. Apparently, Premiere wasn't aware that bills in Congress typically have several versions that may get voted on, or may be withdrawn before a vote." - CHayes

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...HEAVY emphasis on the whole withdraw-trip!!!!!

See:

Rachel Maddow Exposes Republican Hypocrisy For What It Is......BS.flv (YouTube)

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