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February 24, 2013

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Class144

Mar-05-13 8:58 AM

"Life occuring randomly is IMPOSSIBLE!"

You creationists love to work yourself into a fit over creation, just because science has not yet found an answer. Read a few books about molecular biology & DNA and you will find that science is moving closer every day to the answer. Again, I ask you where is proof of your creator? There is none. As an aside, if there is some creator, what makes you think it is 'your creator.' You are the predictable one - fantasy & myth. But no evidence, just assertions. Good luck with that.

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WKnapp

Mar-02-13 10:08 PM

I read nothing in these two posts. Didn't need to. You're predictable. Thre's nothing more than massive denials of the fact that there's no more reason to believe there's no God than to believe the truth. Life occuring randomly is IMPOSSIBLE! Random life is just as impossible as the commonly held evolutionist myth that one form of life can become another completely different life form. Pi can't be calculated to the last decimal place, and life doesn't occur without a Creator. Period.

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Class144

Mar-02-13 10:00 AM

“There is absolutely no empirical, definitive, solid evidence that there is no God.”

“There is also absolutely no empirical, definitive, solid evidence that there aren’t any leprechauns, or Santa Claus, or six-headed spaghetti monsters. We know, after all, that you can’t prove a negative. So you’re left with a book and its extraordinary claims. Well, extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. Christians can’t produce this evidence. They can’t show how space gods can impregnate virgins, or how snakes can talk, or zombies can rise from the dead after three days. If the bible went by some other name, the world would laugh at the events portrayed in it. But Christians demand we accept their faith based on fairy tale events. It’s one reason why people are leaving the church in droves. Science can prove the world isn’t 6,000 years old, or people can’t rise from the dead. Can your religion refute those claims with anything other than assertions. That’s right. No.

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Class144

Mar-02-13 9:46 AM

Surely you jest! Something as logical as basic Creationism doesn't belong."

No, it doesn't belong. Why? It's something you would read in Harry Potter. Evolution is a fact of science, just like gravity. If you don't like the truth, home school your kids.

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WKnapp

Mar-02-13 1:01 AM

It's OK to have religion in public schools as long as that religion is secular humanism/evolution? Surely you jest! Something as logical as basic Creationism doesn't belong, but teaching absolute impossibilities as fact is a good thing? We have a totally screwed up education system!!

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valves

Mar-02-13 12:49 AM

Every person begins with what's known as a presupposition to form their worldview. A presupposition is an article without proof that the individual accepts on faith as fact. Most people start with either the presupposition that there is or is not a God, and build from that basic presumption. As much as you are loathe to admit it, there is absolutely no empirical, definitive, solid evidence that there is no God. The assertion that there is no God is just as unprovable, as much an article of faith, as is the assertion that there IS a God. Reason/logic always points us TO God because of the sheer impossibility of life existing without Him.

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valves

Mar-02-13 12:31 AM

The point I was making is that accidental life is as mathematically impossible as calculating pi to the last decimal place. That point has been conceded by even the most hardened self-proclaimed 'atheists', the propagators of evolution. They acknowledged that, even though their opinion that life is a random accident is completely impossible, the only other option (a Creator) is unthinkable. Therefore, they still insist that life is a random occurrance, though it's known to be impossible. Go figure....

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rmiller

Mar-01-13 10:31 PM

No apology needed, Wayne....

I will stick to my post, however....you are an apologist and I've appreciated your stand for our Saviour. I'm the one who must have missed, or at my age...forgotten when you revealed that info. So, I apologize for the misspeak...

Hey, I just used a liberal term for a mistake on my part. I hope this forum doesn't rub off on me. :)

Not to worry, "Greater is He who is in me, than he who is in the world."

Again, Wayne...keep up the good work!

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Class144

Mar-01-13 10:04 PM

"I want to leave this earth having fought the fight of faith (not reason/logic)."

Yes, reason and logic are truly terrible things, especially when they point out all the fallacies and physical impossibilities from the Bible. I can see now why people would rather have faith in space gods who impregnate virgins. That god s p e r m must be some potent stuff!

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Class144

Mar-01-13 10:00 PM

"If we're here accidentally, what's the purpose of life? Depressing thought."

The purpose? How about compassion, love, laughter, teaching your children well. In these things we can live on. I'm perfectly content knowing that when I die, all the pictures end. It makes each moment even more precious. Dying is as natural is living. I don't need a belief in ghosts or zombies to give my life more meaning. Your views about public education reflect another reason why religion should be kept out of schools. The rest of the world carries on just fine in public schools.

I do have one question. If someone is a sadomasochist, does that mean god will send them to heaven?

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WKnapp

Mar-01-13 9:33 PM

Relene, I am Valves. I've revealed that several times, and thought everybody knew. Sorry for any confusion.

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rmiller

Mar-01-13 6:59 PM

wwhickok,

Your last post made me snicker, love that sense of humor!

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rmiller

Mar-01-13 6:58 PM

valves,

There are those who contend for the faith, you are one of them and it is clear Wayne is too. From posts and exchanges over the past couple of years, your strengths are apologetics. It is a foolish man who won't give up what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot lose. As the apostle Paul said, I want to leave this earth having fought the fight of faith (not reason/logic). Thanks for your encouragement.

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valves

Mar-01-13 4:59 PM

Relene,

I don't expect to see results in this lifetime. If I do, it's a wonderful blessing, and if not, it's alright because one day I will see them. I liken it to the song 'Thank You' from Ray Boltz. I thank you for your support and encouragement. I thank God for my abilities and talents, and hope He uses them and me to His glory.

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wwhickok

Mar-01-13 11:56 AM

The last 30 comments have made me forget what I even wrote the article about....

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rmiller

Mar-01-13 11:32 AM

Wayne,

It's always possible that your words won't fall on deaf ears because Class is not the only viewer/contributor to this forum. Someday, you may see the fruits of your efforts.

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WKnapp

Mar-01-13 6:14 AM

I am sincere. You're predictable. I read the first line only. Never been smug, not starting now. I truly do wish you well. I vividly remember when I thought many of the same thoughts you've expressed. This has been almost like talking to myself from about forty years ago, when I was fresh from childhood indoctrination into liberalism, otherwise known as public education. At about thirty years ago, my life changed. I realized the utter worthlessness of the accidental and random belief system implanted by secular society and public 'education' in particular. If we're here accidentally, what's the purpose of life? Depressing thought. We have a purpose, a reason, a higher calling than just this life. I have read the Bible multiple time, as you have, but understood the differences between freedom and servitude. God never forces us to do anything. That's not love, and God is love. From the first sin, we've made our own problems. Blessings to you, and peace. Amen.

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Class144

Feb-28-13 11:22 PM

Unless a person is mortally ill, I find most offers of prayer are nothing but smug offerings of insincerity, much like your arrogant “Sorry it won't work out well for you.” No matter how much you protest or proselytize, it’s impossible for you to know what happens when we die. If there is a god, it’s equally probable that it won’t work out well for you. Yours is not the only god or religion and you have offered no more proof for your god’s validity than the other myths. It doesn’t matter what you ‘believe in.’ I’ll take science, logic, and reason over a belief in talking snakes, zombies, and virgin births. So far, science has offered no proof that there is a biblical creator. Nor have you. You speak of probabilities. What evidence supports your assertions that your god exists? None. Also, do you enjoy worshiping some invisible entity that allows children to be sexually abused every day? Finally, a person does not need a god to live a life filled with blessings, grace, and mercy.

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WKnapp

Feb-28-13 9:31 PM

I did not read whatever insane inanity you wrote, as I'm sure it speaks volumes more about you and what's wrong with you than anything about me. Besides, it doesn't change a single thing! I'm still going to do what I'm going to do and you're going to crazily protest. If, as you've made abundantly clear, you believe there is no God, and my prayers are in vain, then what harm do my good wishes coming your way do? You seem to believe that life is a mistake, a random product of molecules just lining up the right way (the odds of which are so astronomical to be considered a mathematical impossibility, much like figuring pi to the last decimal place!) to produce living beings. I believe life is a planned product of a loving Creator. You apparently believe in luck, chance and kizmet. I believe in blessings, grace and mercy. The day will come when we'll both know. Sorry it won't work out well for you.

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Class144

Feb-28-13 4:32 PM

"Obviously you have no grasp on the concept of God's omnipotence."

Yes, obviously, and of course you do understand it. But here's something to consider;

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent. Is He able, but not willing? Then He is malevolent. Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is He neither able nor willing? Then why call Him God?

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Class144

Feb-28-13 4:24 PM

"I can't help but feel sorry for you."

Consequently, I can't help sorry for you for worshiping a book that endorses eternal torture, child abuse, slavery, talking snakes, and zombies. Please, I don't want to be included in your prayers.

Ass I said earlier, you haven't offered any proof for your god, only assertions and threats.

But the day will come when you will know the truth and freely confess to some other god. For your sake, I hope it's not too late when that happens.

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WKnapp

Feb-28-13 4:12 PM

You're a tough nut to crack! I can't help but feel sorry for you, and have begun holding you up in prayer as part of my daily devotions. Obviously you have no grasp on the concept of God's omnipotence. Omnipotent means almighty, all powerful. He's also omniscient, which means He knows everything, not to mention omnipresent, which means He's everywhere. I know you don't believe any of this, but the day will come when you will know the truth and freely confess it. For your sake, I hope it's not too late when that happens.

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Class144

Feb-28-13 3:05 PM

"we are cautioned not to cast our pearls before the swine."

LOL. Why is it that when Christians can offer no evidence for their god other than circular logic and 5th grade assertions, they fall back on the pearls before swine tenet? Is that all you have?

Remember, you may have to bow before some god more powerful than your Christ. You see, when it comes to assertions and proof, all gods are equal. Amen.

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rmiller

Feb-28-13 2:50 PM

Wayne, at some point...we are cautioned not to cast our pearls before the swine. Clearly, this admonishment is adviseable now. "My Spirit will not always tarry." Or, "If you enter into one's house, and they receive you not, shake the dust off your feet and depart." Finally, "I tell you it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah than for one who does not receive me now."

You have given caution to one who probably (unless a change of heart happens) will likely fall over the cliff.....one doesn't have to like it, believe it, or accept it. But, every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

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Class144

Feb-28-13 6:57 AM

Reading and understanding are two entirely different actions. If you read it several times, and I believe you did, yo read it completely without understanding."

I understood it. It's a book filled with misogyny, cruelty to children, torture, child abuse, slavery, and mass murder.

BTW - the virgin birth is something that's borrowed from other myths. I still think god raped Mary. it's in his nature based on the bible.

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