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February 24, 2013

Regardless of where you stand on the gun control issue, you have to ask yourself, are more laws, more bans, more legislation in general targeting the right people and the right problems? There needs......

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rick424

Feb-24-13 1:00 AM

I love how the government now has to fix this problem. Put a 25 percent tax on gun sales to help pay for all this.

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USABorn

Feb-24-13 3:43 AM

Good letter. But what is going to get done, when all the bleeding heart liberals want to do is ban, ban, ban. Where have they made any REAL effort to do something about the REAL problem, the mentally ill?

I remember when the insane asylums (as they were called back then)began releasing patients. A huge number of them ended up on the streets, and it hasn't gotten any better.

Quit with the emphasis on guns and get it where it belongs......on those with mental health problems!

After every shooting, people come out of the woodwork telling all about how the person was mentally off. It's time for people to open their mouths BEFORE the shootings instead of AFTER.

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CHayes

Feb-24-13 6:05 AM

I have asked repeatedly here, and not one single person has been able to provide me the logistics on how you keep someone that's mentally ill from purchasing firearms. Particularly when you consider that the overwhelming majority of mental illness in the US is undiagnosed.

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CHayes

Feb-24-13 6:08 AM

My older brother went through a brief bought of depression when he got divorced about 25 years ago. At the time he sought, and received a prescription for Prozac, and was on it for a few months. Should he be banned from purchasing a firearm?

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enigma

Feb-24-13 7:47 AM

Some good thoughts there Wesley. Unfortunately it's not that simple as a few here have already mentioned. The violence problem will never be resolved because the root cause will never be admitted. It is politically incorrect to say the the problem goes much deeper than mental illness, thst it is a moral breakdown in society. The fix is so politically incorrect that the mere mention of it sets off a firestorm of controversy. I wish that giving the government more access to our medical records could fix the problem, but it will not. That information will just be used to further limit people's rights.

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eriklatranyi

Feb-24-13 7:57 AM

The answer is complex.

First, firearms are only a small part of our violent crime problem. Ban all firearms and you will still have violent crime and high murder rates.

Second, I oppose arresting people in advance of a crime. That is essentially what you will end up doing if you try to tackle this from a mental health angle.

Are there cases where a person is deemed violent and should have their firearm rights revoked? Yes! But we have doctors and courts for that process. No doctor should have that power alone.

Talk to mental health professionals and they will tell you that predicting violent behavior is impossible. The "trigger" to go violent is rarely known.

Another area not discussed is Adam Lanza's desire to kill more than Anders Brevik in Norway, so that is why he chose an elementary school.....a soft target.

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Tgrammiex4

Feb-24-13 7:57 AM

HIPA laws will prevent keeping firearms from the mentally ill.Even if doctors/agencies provided names for a database, there are so many that go untreated.Many of those who have commited crimes didn't buy guns, thier family members had them readily available.

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eriklatranyi

Feb-24-13 8:01 AM

con't

We know all about soft targets from the war on terror. If schools are a soft target, then we should harden them. That will include many things including armed security.

Don't forget, in Russia, the Beslan school attack was conducted by radical islamists. They took the school hostage and murdered over 350.

Our schools are targeted as well.

Will this stop every killer? No.

Is there anything that will stop every killer? No.

But there are many proper things that can be done beside laws that will only be respected by people who have done, and will never do, anything wrong.

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JerryfromRI

Feb-24-13 8:12 AM

"Regardless of where you stand on the gun control issue, you have to ask yourself, are more laws, more bans, more legislation in general targeting the right people and the right problems?"

Answer: Yes.

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CMReeder

Feb-24-13 8:48 AM

This is not a mental health problem. This is an access problem. Recently in the news two individuals were arrested for threats and illegal gun possession. Both were convicted felons who by law are not allowed to own or purchase firearms. Yet they did through gun shows and private sales. You have more reports of children finding and playing with guns and injury or killing themsleves along with others. You have people who accidently shot themselves while carrying. It is not a mental health problem.

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CaveFelem

Feb-24-13 8:49 AM

I think you'll find the thugs in Chicago who are killing each other aren't going to give two hoots about any new legislation.

And restricting or banning guns for the rest of us won't stop them from shooting each other. They will still get guns illegally and they will still kill each other.

It's probably safe to say there are as many or more guns in my township than there are people, yet we've had no gun related crime as far back as I can remember. But in Chicago, where there are severe firearms restrictions, murders happen every day. Why? My theory is it's how people are raised, how they are parented, and what kinds of morals and belief systems they're taught from early childhood on. Until we address the breakdown of society, murders in places like Chicago will continue.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-24-13 8:56 AM

"It is politically incorrect to say the the problem goes much deeper than mental illness, thst it is a moral breakdown in society."--enigma

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Sugar-coating. Moral breakdown is only part it; it goes deeper to lack of total spiritual communion with God.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-24-13 9:04 AM

"This is an access problem. Recently in the news two individuals were arrested for threats and illegal gun possession. Both were convicted felons who by law are not allowed to own or purchase firearms. Yet they did through gun shows and private sales."--CMReeder

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Punishment should be death. Then maybe they would think twice before procuring a handgun.

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CHayes

Feb-24-13 10:02 AM

" Moral breakdown is only part it; it goes deeper to lack of total spiritual communion with God."

You must be joking. Tell it to al Qaeda, the IRA, or a roomfull of molested alter boys. There hasn't been a day in modern history, where one religion or another hasn't been used as a justification to brutalized or kill someone. From czarist Russian pogroms against Jews, to Hitler's concentration camps, to Serbian "ethnic cleansing".

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CHayes

Feb-24-13 10:06 AM

Did I fail to mention the Spanish Inquisition, or the Catholics Church's jailing, torture, and even murder of scientists?

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CMReeder

Feb-24-13 10:08 AM

"Punishment should be death. Then maybe they would think twice before procuring a handgun."

It wasn't a handgun they purchased but the weapons and ammunition that the 2A's want protected. So this means you are not a supporter of the Second Amendment at all. You are also not a supporter of life either.

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CHayes

Feb-24-13 12:15 PM

Could you imagine Jesus wearing an executioners hood and operating a gallows or guillotine 24/7?

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enigma

Feb-24-13 12:45 PM

CHayes, You should hope that the never pass hate speech legislation, because if they do, you'll be doing some serious time. Do you really think that the problem with violence in this country is because of all those darn Christians, or do you just hate them so much you can't pass up any opportunity to bash them? Where's the tolerance?

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Class144

Feb-24-13 12:45 PM

"Moral breakdown is only part it; it goes deeper to lack of total spiritual communion with God."

First, did god tell you this? I mean, does god talk to you? And which god should we commune with? Anu, Bel, Shiva, Macha, or Balor, to name a few. Once that is done, find out why god allows children to be sexually abused, raped, tortured, etc. I'm trying to reason with god's logic behind such atrocities. Given that violent crime rates are considerably lower in atheist countries, maybe 'god' is telling us something?

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enigma

Feb-24-13 5:20 PM

Class144,"Given that violent crime rates are considerably lower in atheist countries, maybe 'god' is telling us something?"

The nice thing about being an atheist is that you feel no obligation to tell the truth, so you don't. This is an outright lie. There is no such statistic because you cannot judge which countries are atheist and which one follow any particular religion. With very few exceptions, countries are made up of people with many different beliefs. But I guess if you are an idiot that thinks that the Christian religion encourages violent crime, you could convince yourself that this is how it is, so you make it up as you go. No very scientific and I thought atheists were all about science.

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Class144

Feb-24-13 5:40 PM

“There is no such statistic because you cannot judge which countries are atheist and which one follow any particular religion.”

My, My enigma, are we feeling cornered, maybe threatened? Such language! This from the ‘idiot’ who vanished after she made the statement that the US is a country that does not offer free college tuition to children of disabled veterans, as well as health care for spouse. Strange, how you stayed silent when your bluff was called. However, I apologize for my semantics. I should have used the term ‘secular countries,’ which are by all applicable statistics and surveys (you know, the kind where they ask people what religion they follow), are much less violent than ‘religious countries.’ Please, don’t kill the messenger. Finally, who said the Christianity encourages violent crime? Not I. However, the old OT is filled with rape, misogyny, slavery, child abuse, incest, and then we have the inquisition, Salem With Trials, and…oh, never mind.

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wwhickok

Feb-24-13 5:42 PM

rick...what's that have to do with what I wrote?

USABorn, right on with your comments. Perhaps mental evaluations need to be made part of routine physicals? A company I once worked for, requires, in order to get their paid for medical coverage, employees to get a yearly physical. Adding mental evaluations to this, could be a way to increase accuracy of reporting.

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wwhickok

Feb-24-13 5:44 PM

There, in my opinion, are different levels of 'mental illness' and there is a BIG difference from a 'stint' with depression at some point in your life and depression at the time you are buying a gun. I'm not a doctor, those differences in levels, what should be deemed banable or not, is not for me to decide. However, if someone is taking a medication that is at all 'mind altering', yes they should be flagged.

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CHayes

Feb-24-13 5:44 PM

" The nice thing about being an atheist is that you feel no obligation to tell the truth," Of course because people sense of right and wrong come only from religion, and have nothing to do with societal mores or one's parents.

Why if one were an atheist, I bet they have such an absence of right and wrong, that they might even post a fake Jefferson quote to try and bolster an argument, eh? They might even do it if they knew it was fake I bet.

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Bufftrev1

Feb-24-13 5:44 PM

Hi class.. I've seem that behavior as well from enigma, just yesterday as a matter of fact. Just got back from zero dark thirty, good movie!

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