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Make seat belts a choice

February 25, 2013

Regarding the "for seat belts" letter of Feb/ 16 – not a government mandate? You get fined if you don't use it. It might, may, possibly could help save a life. That is speculatio....

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streetmachine

Mar-13-13 6:37 AM

todays car are equiped with airbags on all sides the saetbelt law is just a money making scam by our goverment

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WKnapp

Feb-27-13 11:10 PM

a government issue. Purely a personal, financial and insurance issue.

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WKnapp

Feb-27-13 11:08 PM

Should not be government mandate. Neither should auto insurance, except for financed vehicles, while collateral for loan. Insurance companies should require safety devices for lower premiums, higher rates fo nonusers. This is NOT

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CMReeder

Feb-27-13 9:25 AM

So your support the right to harm yourself and others. That is what the right considers as personal responsibility.

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msgjsheets

Feb-26-13 4:08 PM

Chuck, once you cross the threshold of government mandate you lose the ability to call it personal responsbilitiy. It's funny to try and watch you lefties try to explain something you know nothing at all about. Just because I'm not required to wear a seat belt does not mean I will stop wearing one. This is a bigger issue. But you can continue supporting the nanny state and pretty soon D.C. will pick up on Bloomberg and nobody will be able to buy 2 liter sodas or candy bars because of diabetes and obesity, no red meat because of heart disease, we will all be required to log 3 miles a day running or jogging or biking a day or pay another tax, etc....

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CMReeder

Feb-26-13 1:51 PM

Very well said KrazyK!

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KrazyK

Feb-26-13 12:57 PM

Anyone not wearing a seat belt is an idiot. Anyone not wearing a seat belt simply to spite the gov't mandate is an insane idiot.

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CMReeder

Feb-26-13 12:11 PM

Bobbie shows how muc hof a idiot she really is. Doesn't care about anyone but herself.

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CMReeder

Feb-26-13 10:49 AM

Personal responsibility. Sadly the right doesn't understand personal responsibility at all. Government also has a personal responsibility to the citizens of this nation. The right wants to deny that the responsibility exists at all. The right defends the rght to harm yourself.

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msgjsheets

Feb-26-13 10:43 AM

Chuck and Shaman of course miss the point. Conservatives and Libertarians are not saying you should set on your couch and take all of the risk out of your life. We are saying that people can be smart enough to make their own decisions without being nannied. The government does not have to to outlaw everything that presents risk. We are the ones who advocate personal responsibility, unlike liberals who think the government should guarantee that nobody suffers loss from their own mistakes or stupid decisions. One of the reasons conservatives hate Obamacare so much is the forced aspects and the the ability of the Shamans to want to regulate everything because it impacts taxpayers because of social security and Obamacare. The never ending circle of justification of government intrusion. As for Chuck, my kids never left the house not being buckled and I would never consider taking my grandaughter in a car without being strapped in. I don't need Uncle Sugar to tell me do so.

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MrShaman

Feb-26-13 9:50 AM

"And if a motorcyclist is killed or seriously injured because of not wearing a helmit.....

If serously injured, taxpayers get to support him for as long as he lives via social security.....and his family also.

If he is killed and had a famiy, social security gets to support them until grown.

The same could be said of those who don't use seat belts

And for drunk drivers who have an accident.....possibly including people in the other car.

Where does it end?" - USABorn

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You always have the risk-free "conservative"-option: Park yourself in-front-of your T.V., and never leave your house...well, except for waving your cane (from your front-porch) and chasing kids outta your yard (i.e. cardio-workout).

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CMReeder

Feb-26-13 8:05 AM

Tell me those against wearing seatbelts if you would not strap in your baby in the backseat.

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BornHere

Feb-26-13 6:45 AM

I think my life is worth the 3 seconds it takes to put on a seat belt.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-26-13 6:30 AM

Probably the biggest safety feature is a jamming device so that cell phones won't work. Put the d a m phones down.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-26-13 6:28 AM

twinder,

There used to be exemptions for farm vehicles. But I don't know current regs.

Seat belts in busses. Again unless you hired several people to enforce it on every bus, I don't think that it would happen. They would be constantly "broken" and what do you do when you need to put three people in the same bench seat to ride a ways. I rode on bus during my whole school life and I just don't see them being practical.

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gavinf56

Feb-26-13 5:27 AM

From Snopes;

"Virtually every study ever conducted indicates that lap and shoulder belts cut the risk of serious or fatal injury by 40 to 55%."

If you want to improve your odds of surviving an accident without serious or fatal injuries, wear your seat belts.

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Deisenroth

Feb-26-13 3:13 AM

When this law first took affect I was about 19 or 20 and I was in an accident where my car was flipped over on it's roof. The PA state trooper told me he knew with out asking me, that I wasn't wearing a seat belt and I asked him how he knew. He told me that had I been wearing one he wouldn't have been there talking to me because I would have been DEAD! After all I would have been hanging upside down for at least 45 minutes before the fire department got to me. Then there is the fact that two kids I went to school with were killed in a car accident because of having on seatbelts. HMMMMM! Really makes you wonder doesn't it? They don't tell you how many lives were lost because of using them or how many were saved because they didn't use them. So what are the real statistics???

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CMReeder

Feb-25-13 11:43 PM

The right to harm yourself, a right the right is willing to fight for.

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twinder

Feb-25-13 10:34 PM

Texas, I too have difficulty understanding the seat belt laws in PA. I can choose not to wear a helmet on my motorcycle but I am required by law to wear my seatbelt in any vehicle. Yet, every day, my kids ride to and from school, unbelted, on a schoolbus. There doesn't seem to be a lot of consistency regarding these laws and safety. Also, I'm pretty sure that it is illegal in Pa to ride unsecured in the bed of a pick up. I recall that changing about a decade ago. In some states, it is legal to do.

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twinder

Feb-25-13 10:30 PM

Mike said; I was involved in a discussion a while back where a woman driving on a suspended license skidded on ice and hit another similar vehicle head-on. She was wearing a seat belt and walked away unscathed. The other driver was not and was killed.

It was my position that she should not have been charged with vehicular homicide because the other driver was not wearing a seat belt and was a major contributor of his own death by not wearing one.

Mike, this driver was the brother of a close friend. His car was struck at the driver's door. The SG reported it as head-on. The seat belt had no bearing on the matter. If the suspended driver wasn't on the road that day, he would still be alive. The woman who stuck him violated several laws and took the life of an innocent person. SHE was rightfully punished for her actions. Afterall, no one is blaming the car for what she did.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-25-13 9:25 PM

Wearing a seat belt is not only about the driver. There are other people that could be impacted, like spouses, children, passengers, people in the other car. The seat belt law should remain and be enforced.

Now what about busses with no seat belts, people riding in the bed of a pick-up, tractors with no seat belts, or cars with more people than seat belts? I guess that practical has it's limits.

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USABorn

Feb-25-13 7:52 PM

eric88 - 6:13 AM

"Motor cycle helmet law is optional...."

And if a motorcyclist is killed or seriously injured because of not wearing a helmit.....

If serously injured, taxpayers get to support him for as long as he lives via social security.....and his family also.

If he is killed and had a famiy, social security gets to support them until grown.

The same could be said of those who don't use seat belts

And for drunk drivers who have an accident.....possibly including people in the other car.

Where does it end?

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MrShaman

Feb-25-13 3:37 PM

"Disagree MrShaman, who takes care of those vegetables that did not where their helmet? I know a women who would be dead today if she did not have a helmet on. A car pulled out in front of them and she went flying and hit head first. Her husband came out with no injures, as it was she head head injures but is alive today to tell about it. Only a fool would ride without a helmet. Yea, I*****at spelling, deal with it." - rick424

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Back, in '67, there was a guy who'd run off the road (headed towards Nisbet) & got launched into a tree. The doctor said...if he'd been wearing a helmet, his neck would have been SNAPPED!!! Fortunately, he (only) needed to wear leg-braces, until he learned to walk, again.

NOTHING makes you more-safe than riding-EXPERIENCE.

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rick424

Feb-25-13 3:22 PM

Disagree MrShaman, who takes care of those vegetables that did not where their helmet? I know a women who would be dead today if she did not have a helmet on. A car pulled out in front of them and she went flying and hit head first. Her husband came out with no injures, as it was she head head injures but is alive today to tell about it. Only a fool would ride without a helmet. Yea, I*****at spelling, deal with it.

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MrShaman

Feb-25-13 2:57 PM

"And where your helmet for your motorcycle, for the life of me I can never figure out why anyone would not wear on. My wife and I call cyclist with out helmets organ donors." - rick424

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Seriously...someone, old-enough to be married, spells so poorly??

Let those who ride, decide.

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