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Make seat belts a choice

February 25, 2013

Regarding the "for seat belts" letter of Feb/ 16 – not a government mandate? You get fined if you don't use it. It might, may, possibly could help save a life. That is speculatio....

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eric88

Feb-25-13 6:13 AM

Motor cycle helmet law is optional.... So why do 2 wheelers have the freedom???? Explain that one????

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DKMDKM

Feb-25-13 6:13 AM

Yes, seat belts are a lie, they do not add one bit of safety! I totally can't thank seat belts for saving my live when I rolled a car three years ago. I had a few injuries, but I walked away, I am sure I would have been injury free without that menacing strap. I only drive freestyle now. This man has a point! Moron.

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Josh84

Feb-25-13 7:18 AM

While I would never operate a vehicle without my seatbelt, Everyone should have the right to wear or neglect to wear their seatbelt. If you want to drive a car without wearing a seatbelt, so be it. If you want to operate a motorcycle without a helmet, so be it. Just dont act suprised by the results of your actions.

The government should not regulate personal safety, unless it puts others at risk.

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msgjsheets

Feb-25-13 7:34 AM

DKM, nobody is trying to take away your ability to wear the seat belt. There are some of us however who would like it to be a choice and not just another exercise in government power and oversight into our lives. Are you safer in a car wearing a seat belt than without, absolutely. Is it's government's job to mandate everything that is good for me and forbid everything that is not. Absolutely NOT!

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nobud74

Feb-25-13 7:42 AM

At the risk of being labeled a lib, I must disagree with the author. I really don't give a rip about you, your family or your life if you choose not to wear a seat belt. The new safety features of three point harnesses, airbags, properly placed head rests and more ensure you have a better chance to survive a crash with less injury. Is this altruistic? Perhaps. I look at it that it keeps my insurance rates from going up to pay for your life long nursing home care--I have a friend in that situation because they chose not to wear a belt and they have been in that state for 15 years with no end in sight. So, don't wear one. But, other insured motorists should be excused paying for your care because you chose to be irresponsible.

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wwhickok

Feb-25-13 7:58 AM

Fact is (and I mean that literally) this letter has some merit. Eric, in this case, is correct. Motor cyclists fought and fought in Harrisburg for the right to not have to wear a helmet and they got it. Utter stupidity if you ask me. So seatbelts should not be required. HOWEVER, they always will be, the police make too much money off of people not wearing them when they get pulled over for speeding or whatever else to make it a 'choice'. Having said that however, in reality you do have the choice. Yes, the choice of not wearing it comes with a risk, the risk of being fined (not dying, that's a little more obvious).

DK, I agree with your point, disagree with how you put it across.

Seatbelts offer a lot of safety. It it's cutting into your neck (most common complaint) by a seat belt cover, they sell them almost everywhere, it's a padded little sleeve that velcros over the belt to protect your neck. Seal belts vary in design to an extent, but they all are the same

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wwhickok

Feb-25-13 8:03 AM

in one very important way. They're designed to protect you from smashing your face into the steering wheel, being thrown through the windshield, causing more damage to yourself by being thrown around than you would if you were mostly stationary, etc.

"But, other insured motorists should be excused paying for your care because you chose to be irresponsible."

No bud, I mostly agreed with your entire post, however i both agree and disagree with this portion of your statement. I agree that, if injury is sustained because of the choice to not wear a seatbelt, other insured drivers should be absent the responsibility to pay for prolonged care. However, insured drivers should, if the accident was of fault to them due to wreckless, irresponsible, or law-breaking actions/driving have to pay for initial care that was stemmed from that accident. However, how do you decide what is 'from the accident' and what is 'from not wearing a seatbelt in the accident'? I actually think tha

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wwhickok

Feb-25-13 8:06 AM

be easier to create a figure for than it would first appear. They do thousands if not millions of tests on vehicle crashing on a yearly basis. It's not unreasonable to think they could develop a reasonable set of statistics that would give you a logical set of injuries that would/should occur in a given vehicle type and nature of accident with a seatbelt ON. Everything beyond that reasonable list of injuries should be the responsibility of the driver who chose not to wear their seatbelt. My guess, the person who chose not to buckle up is going to end up paying for 70%+ of their own medical bills. My suggestion isn't flawless, it's just my own logic.

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enigma

Feb-25-13 8:21 AM

The best argument against seat belt laws has nothing to do with whether wearing seat belts is a good idea or not. It has everything to do with personal liberty. It is not the government's job to keep you from doing dumb stuff that could kill you. Even though I wore a seatbelt even before they were mandatory, I oppose seatbelt laws. When I rode a motorcycle, I always wore a helmet, but I oppose helmet laws. It's a rights issue. You have the right endanger yourself.

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CMReeder

Feb-25-13 8:40 AM

Francine you said it best.

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MrShaman

Feb-25-13 9:41 AM

"You get fined if you don't use it. It might, may, possibly could help save a life. That is speculation.

Have you ever seen a report on how many people are killed and injured by seat belts? How many lives were saved not using one?

Let's be truthful about "compliance". Promote it as a possible safety feature, I agree.

However, it should be a choice. Fines forcing compliance do not represent all the facts." - Robert L DeVaul, Sr.

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You've (obviously) not done a whole lotta 4-wheel/off-road driving. Belts keep you IN-CONTROL, as they keep you behind-the-wheel!!

Here's a question you forgot to ask. How many (other) people have been killed, because a driver wasn't in-control of his vehicle?

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MrShaman

Feb-25-13 9:50 AM

"While I would never operate a vehicle without my seatbelt, Everyone should have the right to wear or neglect to wear their seatbelt. If you want to drive a car without wearing a seatbelt, so be it." - Josh84

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If there's another driver who's just hit another car...or, guard-rail...and, his vehicle is hurtling-towards-you (with that other driver on the passenger-side o' his vehicle...'cause he wasn't wearing his belt), it's gonna be a "little" late for you to rethink your position on belts.

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MrShaman

Feb-25-13 9:54 AM

"Are you safer in a car wearing a seat belt than without, absolutely. Is it's government's job to mandate everything that is good for me and forbid everything that is not. Absolutely NOT!" - msgjsheets

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It's not just ABOUT "you" (i.e. drivers, in-general)!!!

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MrShaman

Feb-25-13 10:04 AM

"The best argument against seat belt laws has nothing to do with whether wearing seat belts is a good idea or not. It has everything to do with personal liberty. It is not the government's job to keep you from doing dumb stuff that could kill you." - enigma

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You DON'T have the "personal liberty" to kill someone-else, because you weren't fully-in-control of your vehicle.

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Fredzz

Feb-25-13 10:38 AM

Mrshaman,

When your hanging upside down in your car, that's floating down a river...

'cause your wearing a belt), it's gonna be a "little" late for you to rethink your position on belts.

This thpe of banter can uselessly go on forever... so why do make it a habbit to start it.

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Fredzz

Feb-25-13 10:53 AM

Mrshaman, comment:

You DON'T have the "personal liberty" to kill someone-else, because you weren't fully-in-control of your vehicle."

If everyone was always fully-in-control of their vehicle. We wouldn't need safety devices or Insurance.

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SteelerFan

Feb-25-13 11:08 AM

Wear your belt, it increases your odds of survival.

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mikekerstetter

Feb-25-13 12:11 PM

It does make you wonder why the vast majority of deaths are marked by 'was not wearing a seat belt'.

There are stories on both sides that defy the logical wisdom, but for the most part, being belted in place inside the vehicle gives you a better chance of survival in an accident.

I was involved in a discussion a while back where a woman driving on a suspended license skidded on ice and hit another similar vehicle head-on. She was wearing a seat belt and walked away unscathed. The other driver was not and was killed.

It was my position that she should not have been charged with vehicular homicide because the other driver was not wearing a seat belt and was a major contributor of his own death by not wearing one.

I think seat belts are effective in saving lives and reducing injuries, but they won't stop every death from occurring.

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rick424

Feb-25-13 12:48 PM

Wear your stupid belt and stop complaining. And yes the government should make you wear it for your safety and others. As you are floating around in your vehicle because you were too dumb to buckle up, you just might smash into someone else. And where your helmet for your motorcycle, for the life of me I can never figure out why anyone would not wear on. My wife and I call cyclist with out helmets organ donors.

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MrShaman

Feb-25-13 2:57 PM

"And where your helmet for your motorcycle, for the life of me I can never figure out why anyone would not wear on. My wife and I call cyclist with out helmets organ donors." - rick424

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Seriously...someone, old-enough to be married, spells so poorly??

Let those who ride, decide.

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rick424

Feb-25-13 3:22 PM

Disagree MrShaman, who takes care of those vegetables that did not where their helmet? I know a women who would be dead today if she did not have a helmet on. A car pulled out in front of them and she went flying and hit head first. Her husband came out with no injures, as it was she head head injures but is alive today to tell about it. Only a fool would ride without a helmet. Yea, I*****at spelling, deal with it.

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MrShaman

Feb-25-13 3:37 PM

"Disagree MrShaman, who takes care of those vegetables that did not where their helmet? I know a women who would be dead today if she did not have a helmet on. A car pulled out in front of them and she went flying and hit head first. Her husband came out with no injures, as it was she head head injures but is alive today to tell about it. Only a fool would ride without a helmet. Yea, I*****at spelling, deal with it." - rick424

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Back, in '67, there was a guy who'd run off the road (headed towards Nisbet) & got launched into a tree. The doctor said...if he'd been wearing a helmet, his neck would have been SNAPPED!!! Fortunately, he (only) needed to wear leg-braces, until he learned to walk, again.

NOTHING makes you more-safe than riding-EXPERIENCE.

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USABorn

Feb-25-13 7:52 PM

eric88 - 6:13 AM

"Motor cycle helmet law is optional...."

And if a motorcyclist is killed or seriously injured because of not wearing a helmit.....

If serously injured, taxpayers get to support him for as long as he lives via social security.....and his family also.

If he is killed and had a famiy, social security gets to support them until grown.

The same could be said of those who don't use seat belts

And for drunk drivers who have an accident.....possibly including people in the other car.

Where does it end?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-25-13 9:25 PM

Wearing a seat belt is not only about the driver. There are other people that could be impacted, like spouses, children, passengers, people in the other car. The seat belt law should remain and be enforced.

Now what about busses with no seat belts, people riding in the bed of a pick-up, tractors with no seat belts, or cars with more people than seat belts? I guess that practical has it's limits.

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twinder

Feb-25-13 10:30 PM

Mike said; I was involved in a discussion a while back where a woman driving on a suspended license skidded on ice and hit another similar vehicle head-on. She was wearing a seat belt and walked away unscathed. The other driver was not and was killed.

It was my position that she should not have been charged with vehicular homicide because the other driver was not wearing a seat belt and was a major contributor of his own death by not wearing one.

Mike, this driver was the brother of a close friend. His car was struck at the driver's door. The SG reported it as head-on. The seat belt had no bearing on the matter. If the suspended driver wasn't on the road that day, he would still be alive. The woman who stuck him violated several laws and took the life of an innocent person. SHE was rightfully punished for her actions. Afterall, no one is blaming the car for what she did.

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