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The federal mess

March 2, 2013

The issue is whether health insurance should be tied to employers and employment....

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CMReeder

Mar-03-13 9:51 PM

Ritty the stupid strikes again!

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BornHere

Mar-03-13 2:10 PM

Underpants!! Thanks Ritty I forgot about that one, I wonder what ever happened to OUCH.

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Ritty77

Mar-03-13 10:45 AM

Yeah! Take that, Underpants! You weren't force to contribute to SS. You purposely contributed to that program so you could complain now and even if you were force to contribute you are not force to draw on it because you should just donate that to the general spending fund.

Drink.

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CMReeder

Mar-03-13 8:48 AM

You are not force Phil, you could not use it.

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philunderwood

Mar-02-13 4:54 PM

It’s correct that there are good and bad Doctors in both the VA and private systems, but the care I’ve gotten at the VA overall was inferior to what I get with private care.

I use Medicare and a private supplement because that’s the system I’m forced to use and I paid for it in taxes over many years.

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mikekerstetter

Mar-02-13 4:53 PM

I don't believe all the gloom and doom straw-man arguments on how bad health care would be if we had a Single payer system. We've had it for years with Medicare, Medicaid and the VA. I don't believe that care suffers for those patients. The only big problem is not paying providers enough to cover costs, and that could be easily addressed.

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mikekerstetter

Mar-02-13 4:51 PM

Tex, I didn't realize how much my Mom benefited from what was PACE (not sure what it is now) until I saw how many thousands of dollars my in-laws have to put out each year in prescription costs alone. There is no way my Mom could afford her medications.

I have been extremely fortunate. I had no insurance until I started working at Bucknell University at age 25. And I didn't go to the Dr. I have had Geisinger HMO through my employers ever since. Although there were a couple of drugs not covered, I have been lucky to be able to avoid them and find something that is.

Health care is the one thing in America that I believe we should provide to all citizens. Because I have always been in an HMO (one that is rated as one of the top HMO's in the nation), I would like to see a system modeled after an HMO.

I don't believe all the gloom and doom straw-man arguments on how bad health care would be if we had a Single payer system. We've had it for years with Medicare, Medicaid and the V

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BornHere

Mar-02-13 4:10 PM

Class maybe I should have said diseases associated with "Agent Orange" are now finally being recognized as disabilities.

As far as the DAV I do volunteer work for them 3 days a week helping Veterans get their benefits.

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mikekerstetter

Mar-02-13 3:50 PM

Some of those regulations are the reason your health insurance company can't drop you because you became sick.

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CHayes

Mar-02-13 3:50 PM

" Speaking for myself, I’ve used both the VA and private systems and I’m mighty glad I can afford the private system."

You mean the "private" Medicare system Phil?

That reminds if those tea party people at town halls a few years ago screaming "get your dirty government hands off my Medicare".

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Class144

Mar-02-13 3:33 PM

Let us not forget that the Vietnam Veterans had to wait 3 decades before they were finally recognized by the Veterans Administration or the VA Health Care.

I wasn’t talking about problems from the past. Instead I was commenting on the here-and-now, the current state of affairs with the VA Heath Care System and it’s outpatient clinics. Not sure what you mean by ‘finally recognized.’ I’ve known several friends and Nam Vets who have been patients of the VA for many years. Glad to here about your husband receiving his disability. BTW, there are patient advocate groups that work for Veterans for free. The Disabled American Veterans are among the best. They were beneficial in my own struggles many years ago as I was reacclimating myself to be the civilian world again. The VA shrinks were also beneficial

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mikekerstetter

Mar-02-13 3:32 PM

philunderwood-"Mike, an insurance policy is a legal contract. If you’re dumb enough to agree to a policy that allows the insurance to dump you if you are diagnosed with a major illness, then I suppose you could be dropped."

So, you're saying that as long as you pay your premium you can't be dropped? That's not how that auto policy you want to model health care after works.

I wish both sides would stop posturing and admit that there are things for which their fix-it-all ideas don't work. This is one of those.

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BornHere

Mar-02-13 2:59 PM

Let us not forget that the Vietnam Veterans had to wait 3 decades before they were finally recognized by the Veterans Administration or the VA Health Care.

My husband now gets the health care he needs and the compensation he desires, but we had to fight for it.

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Class144

Mar-02-13 2:30 PM

"I’m mighty glad I can afford the private system."

I can too. However, I found the private system was more about profit, less about care. When I had Gall Bladder issues, my private physician wanted to wait 2 weeks to do the surgery. The VA did it in two days.

With all that aside, there are good doctors in both private and public practice, and there are not so good as well. After all, they all go to the same schools.

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philunderwood

Mar-02-13 2:19 PM

Speaking for myself, I’ve used both the VA and private systems and I’m mighty glad I can afford the private system.

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Class144

Mar-02-13 2:01 PM

“There are THOUSANDS of veterans who would disagree with that. I have two in my family. The government should be ashamed of what they are doing (or I should say NOT DOING) for the Iraq and Afghan vets!!!!”

There will always be disgruntled Veterans. But the vest majority of Veterans are pleased with their Health Care. Have you ever been treated at a VA Facility? Sure, there are problems with the Iran and Afghan Vets, but the VA is doing everything possible, and remains of the forefront of technology to ensure their disability claims are processed.

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CHayes

Mar-02-13 1:44 PM

" By adding requirements and regulations, government with union support, has caused great numbers of people who have nothing to do with actually providing healthcare to now be required to be part of the healthcare and health insurance systems."

That's ridiculous.

" Free market competition between insurance companies and healthcare providers has been all but eliminated."

Then why do I always get junk mail soliciting me to buy one type of health.insurance or another? Also, I think you just said above that people that aren't responsible for directly providing healthcare shouldn't be involved in the system. Wouldn't that include not only insurance companies, but billing departments at hospitals?

What exactly are these regulations that you're referencing?

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philunderwood

Mar-02-13 1:10 PM

Chris, if you would pay attention to what I’ve said repeatedly instead of what you want to think I’ve said, you wouldn’t have to ask that question, but I’ll sum it up for you:

By adding requirements and regulations, government with union support, has caused great numbers of people who have nothing to do with actually providing healthcare to now be required to be part of the healthcare and health insurance systems. Government regulations at both the federal and state levels have added greatly to the cost of both healthcare and health insurance. Free market competition between insurance companies and healthcare providers has been all but eliminated.

Now you shouldn’t need to ask me again.

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Bufftrev1

Mar-02-13 12:52 PM

Hi texas, no st patricks yet.. having lunch at bubba gumps, times square.. off to the rock after this.

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CHayes

Mar-02-13 12:33 PM

Maybe just for openers Phil, you could provide a couple of examples when, and how unions attempted to fix the American healthcare system?

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USABorn

Mar-02-13 12:28 PM

Class144 - 11:30 AM

"The VA Health Care system is socialized medicine. It also provides the best health care in the world and is just as efficient as private physicians."

There are THOUSANDS of veterans who would disagree with that. I have two in my family. The government should be ashamed of what they are doing (or I should say NOT DOING) for the Iraq and Afghan vets!!!!

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USABorn

Mar-02-13 12:23 PM

CHayes - 10:41 AM

"PS, if we did that, there would be no need for the ACA."

G R E A T ! ! !

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CHayes

Mar-02-13 12:08 PM

You know Phil, just because to don't care for the way I framed the question, doesn't mean you can't answer it.

I have said many times that I think one of the biggest contributors to healthcare costs in the US, is payroll, and I was able to provide several real world examples.

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CHayes

Mar-02-13 11:58 AM

Phil then " Not too long ago, company provided health insurance was for major medical expenses and you could afford to pay for day-to-day medical care out of pocket, but that was before government and unions stepped in to “fix” things."

Phil now " The best stretch of what I said would be that they contribute to it."

Now note Phil that you didn't say that.people used to be able to afford insurance before the govt and unions "stepped in to fix things, and a lit of other stuff changed". You stopped the the govt and unions.

Now, can you explain how the govt and unions have increased healthcare costs, or not? This is the third time I've asked, so maybe the third times a charm.

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philunderwood

Mar-02-13 11:51 AM

“Phil, if you want to run around and say that the big mean govt, and those nasty old unions are directly and solely responsible for the high cost of healthcare in the US, shouldn't you be able to explain how?”

Chris, sometimes your twists of what we say verge on being idiotic, there’s nothing I said that even implies that government and unions are directly and solely responsible for the high cost of healthcare. The best stretch of what I said would be that they contribute to it.

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