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Common sense

March 2, 2013

One of the definitions of insanity is repeating the same action over and over and expecting different results....

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CMReeder

Mar-03-13 8:52 AM

"It's really easy to quote the wrong leftist on here, since they are all of one whatever they have instead of a mind... Whatever it is, there is just one, and obviously they share it."

No, the right is tone deaf to liberal voices.

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CHayes

Mar-03-13 7:23 AM

" only a fool would say that death tolls in these type of shootings would be mitigated."

Should read "wouldn't be mitigated"

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CHayes

Mar-03-13 7:21 AM

I'd love to. If it were as difficult to obtain firearms designed to pump huge numbers of bullets very rapidly without reloading, as it is now to obtain fully automatic weapons, only a fool would say that death tolls in these type of shootings would be mitigated.

I suppose since Republicans are so insistent that Democrats want to keep guns out of the hands of "law abiding citizens", that must mean that Republicans are anxious to arm criminals and mass murderers.

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WKnapp

Mar-02-13 4:52 PM

It's really easy to quote the wrong leftist on here, since they are all of one whatever they have instead of a mind... Whatever it is, there is just one, and obviously they share it.

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philunderwood

Mar-02-13 2:25 PM

Do you suppose that limiting sales of a few types of guns will eliminate those mass shootings, if so please explain just how?

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CHayes

Mar-02-13 1:36 PM

Considering that the current crop of gun legislation is aimed (as it were) at preventing mass shootings, please explain how stiffer penalties will deter someone from going into a building and killing as many people as they can, as quickly as they can? Do you suppose that someone that does that thinks they're just going to get a fine, or 6 months in county?

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CHayes

Mar-02-13 1:33 PM

" My point was only that if government is going to affect the level of gun crime, severe punishment for crimes involving the use of a gun is the only way it’ll happen"

Please reread the first line of the letter Phil. Here's your quiz. What is the definition of insanity?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Mar-02-13 1:27 PM

CMReeder,

A different subject....did you see the article on the Iroquois Indian Village, Otstonwakin, where Madam Montour lived? Is that far from you? Were you able to go there when there were doing the dig or was it pretty hush hush?

These can be pretty cool to see the artifacts and understand how they lived. When I was a teenager, I was able to see one not too far from there.

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CHayes

Mar-02-13 1:27 PM

When there is one shotgun that future sales of may be banned in CO, and only if there isn't a slight design change to it, AND people that already have it, can even keep it, but you claim all "hunting shotguns" are about to be banned in CO, does that make you a liar?

I vote yes.

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philunderwood

Mar-02-13 1:25 PM

Chris, the government has a dismal, even non-existent success record with all of its wars, at least since WW2. At least we agree on that point. Poverty and drugs are prime examples of that.

My point was only that if government is going to affect the level of gun crime, severe punishment for crimes involving the use of a gun is the only way it’ll happen. Trying to control gun ownership will accomplish nothing.

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CHayes

Mar-02-13 1:23 PM

" Well folks, the new gun ban in COLORADO will include HUNTING SHOTGUNS"

That's an outlandish statement. There is ONE shotgun that would be effected by the ban. It's a semi automatic shotgun, that can be easily modified by an end user to accept more than 8 shells. The manufacturer can EASILY get.around the ban by simply altering the shotgun in question, so it can NOT be easily modified by an end user to accept more than 8 shells.

Are.you really this stupid, or were you just being utterly disingenuous?

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USABorn

Mar-02-13 12:36 PM

The libs on here said it wouldn't happen. Well folks, the new gun ban in COLORADO will include HUNTING SHOTGUNS......the gun favored by the majority of CO hunters. The dems have already passed the ban bill and the governor has said he will sign it!!

I'll bet in the next election, CO sees a turnover of legislators.

(I put this on an older lte but added it here)

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CHayes

Mar-02-13 12:29 PM

" If we’re going to reduce crime involving guns, we simply have to apply strong punishment for crime involving guns"

Yep Phil just check out our incredible success in "the war on drugs" for confirmation of that.

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CHayes

Mar-02-13 12:27 PM

" CHayes,"That's a nice lil' "straw-man" ya' got, there, but...no one's suggested gun-control would reduce crime (in-general).""

What a large footprint I must have here to be quoted on thread several hours before I posted on it.

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CHayes

Mar-02-13 12:25 PM

" Enforcing the laws already on the books would be a good start"

You mean like enforcing the private sale exemption for background checks? Because we all know that providing easy, no questions asked access to firearms for criminals is certainly a step in the right direction.

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enigma

Mar-02-13 9:47 AM

CHayes,"That's a nice lil' "straw-man" ya' got, there, but...no one's suggested gun-control would reduce crime (in-general)."

That's an outright lie! Maybe you aren't, but plenty of people are. If it doesn't reduce crime, what is your justification? Do you really think that someone who wants to kill large numbers of people will give up just because he can't legally buy an AR15 with a 30 round magazine? Lunatics are quite tenacious and won't be stopped from breaking the law because they might have to break a law to do it. Even if they can't get a suitable gun, there are many ways to kill large numbers of people. If some nut drives his car into a school playground and kills 26 people, will we be talking about banning cars next?

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CMReeder

Mar-02-13 9:14 AM

Un-huh, then clearly the gun lovers are insane.

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philunderwood

Mar-02-13 8:31 AM

If we’re going to reduce crime involving guns, we simply have to apply strong punishment for crime involving guns. Limiting gun ownership won’t accomplish anything in the way of reducing crime. In fact enough gun control will lead to a criminal black market in guns, which will increase crime.

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MrShaman

Mar-02-13 8:22 AM

"I have yet to see a gun control proposal that actually reduces crime." - eriklatranyi

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That's a nice lil' "straw-man" ya' got, there, but...no one's suggested gun-control would reduce crime (in-general).

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MrShaman

Mar-02-13 8:18 AM

"The left, whether liberals, progressives or whatever, always resort to so-called "political correctness" to try to control the discussion. They react emotionally with terms such as "zero tolerance" and "gun free zones," all the while professing that we can legislate morality." - John Weeks

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BZZZZT!!!!!

Sorry, but...if you'd been paying attention...you'd know it's the "conservatives"/"moralists" who insist we (already) legislate morality, all-the-TIME.

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JerryfromRI

Mar-02-13 8:11 AM

Despite attempts to make the discussion about liberalism, big government, political correctness and mind-control this discussion is about dead kids and how to stem the tide of mass killings.

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eriklatranyi

Mar-02-13 6:29 AM

I have yet to see a gun control proposal that actually reduces crime.

Years ago, the NRA supported the instant background check to make it easier to catch prohibited individuals from purchasing firearms at the point of sale.

Unfortunately, enforcement is lax.

Does this remind anyone of our immigration problem?

Existing laws are not enforced, but new ones are requested.

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