Cut now or pay later

I might add Jerr, the Joker you Rats seem to idolize doesn't work as a wild card in poker.

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Jerr the dolt "Secondly, like a poker players tell, you name call when you've you've been bested."

Much like Carlitos, Jerr, when you live in a make believe world real facts have no impact on your limited intellect. Why is it Rats are incapable of replying coherently and specifically to a question? Now as simply as possible please respond with just one dated example of when the national debt didn't increase during Bubba's reign.

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JerryfromRI

Mar-10-13 6:34 AM

At some point during the Clinton presidency more federal tax was collected then was spent. The national debt clock ran backwards. This is an easy to verify fact.

OK! So it's "easy to verify" and "a fact". Verify from a reliable source, showing where and when the 'surplus' was applied to the national debt. (You can't, because it was a ruse, a bookkeeping trick, not real money.)

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@Bobbie2

"What say we settle this on the runway... Han-Solo? " --Derek Zoolander

FYI - for future reference the proper response is "Are you challenging me to a walk-off... Boo-Lander?"

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@Bobbie2

"Ole Jerr the liberal dolt"

I hope you know that I get great amusement from your name calling. Firstly, you're usually somewhat creative with it. It would be pretty boring to read the same rehashed slurs over and over. Secondly, like a poker players tell, you name call when you've you've been bested. Lastly, a five word insult-combo is impressive indeed and rare for sure.

What else have you got? You've yet to speculate about my personal hygiene, my mother's shoe type or whether if when I sit around the house, I sit AROUND the house.

Bring it BobbieO, you amuse me.

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@Bobbie2

What list is that BobbieO?

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Still waiting for that list from the Clinton years, Ole Jerr the liberal dolt.

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There is a problematic yet simple solution to the 'spending problem.

Freeze this: Fed Spending: $3,820,000,000,000 (Trillion); Disallow 100% of spending for an entire year. In that year, develop a plan to cut that # in half. Find cheaper ways to do things. The rest of the economy is trying find energy efficient/cost friendly methods of conducting business/developing new products, it's about darn time the government does the same.

Again, I DID say problematic..I can only imagine the ripple effects of spending $0 in an entire year. The welfare people would be screwed.

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@Bobbie2

"What say we settle this on the runway... Han-Solo? " --Derek Zoolander

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Concede, vagabond..

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She did have Barry Dunham nailed.

“What must it be like, I wonder, to live in a world where food appears at the press of a button? How would I spend the hours I now commit to combing the woods for sustenance if it were so easy to come by? What do they do all day, these people in the Capitol, besides decorating their bodies and waiting around for a new shipment of tributes to rill in and die for their entertainment?”

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@Bobbie2

"What they want is for me to truly take on the role they designed for me. The symbol of revolution." --Katniss Everdeen"

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19/5 "all take, no give?"

Raise taxes, all take. No spending cuts, no give. Centuries of Rat mantra.

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Liberal dolt Jerr "At some point during the Clinton presidency more federal tax was collected then was spent."

And sometime during the Clinton presidency somewhere in the universe a pig flew. The only absolutes during Clinton's time were Bubba raped someone and Hillary stole something.

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Sorry.. all take, no give? How conservative of you! Christ like, I might add.. good day, sir.

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Hi texas.. whyever not, mi amigo? Does that mean you only want the other side to give? All take on on

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Hey Jerry, here are the debt by years.

92- 4.0 Trillion 93- 4.4 94- 4.6 95- 4.9 96- 5.2 97- 5.4 98- 5.5 99- 5.65 00- 5.67 So when did this clock run "backwards"? Where are the surpluses? This was all a card trick and the American people bought it.

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Buff:"Hi premier.. yet another deep and profound thought from you, sir.."

And this was such an awe inspiring piece of "deep and profound thought" from such an intellectual thinker.

I wrote your words on my office white board for future reference during my times of want and woe.

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google "debt clock runs backward"

Evidently we are living in two different realities. Frankly, I was unaware the budget surpluses of the Clinton years were the subject of conspiracy theory.

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"At some point during the Clinton presidency more federal tax was collected then was spent. The national debt clock ran backwards. This is an easy to verify fact."

The national debt clock hasn't "ran backwards" since 1957. The national debt has grown every year since then, according to treasurydirect(dot)gov. Clinton and Gingrich manipulated the Social Security IOU numbers to make the individual years look like surpluses.

Having said that, the numbers were sure a lot better then, so I am for returning to the Clinton-era levels of taxes AND spending.

History shows that whatever the tax rates, the Feds collect about 20% of GDP. We need to get back spending back to that level.

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Jerry, it is like you borrowing money from your kids' savings accounts and your relatives and you tell them that you will pay them back. It may not show up in your budget but it is a future obligation that you have picked up.

When you do your "easily verifiable", what words are you googling? What sources are you going to?

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JerryFromRI,

"How Clinton managed to claim a surplus was that while the general operating budgets ran deficits but Clinton borrowed from numerous off budget funds to make the on budget fund a surplus. For example, in 2000, Clinton claimed a $230B surplus, but Clinton borrowed $152.3B from Social Security $30.9B from Civil Service Retirement Fund $18.5B from Federal Supplementary Medical insurance Trust Fund $15.0B from Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund $9.0B from the Federal Unemployment Trust Fund $8.2B from Military Retirement Fund $3.8B from Transportation Trust Funds $1.8B from Employee Life Insurance & Retirement fund $7.0B from others Total borrowed from off budget funds $246.5B, meaning that his $230B surplus is actually a $16.5B deficit. ($246.5B borrowed - $230B claimed surplus = $16.5B actual deficit)."

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BuffTrev1,

No.

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Hi premier.. yet another deep and profound thought from you, sir..

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When I was a boy I delivered newspapers and there was an old man on my route who hoarded the newspapers. He always came across as kind of nutty and he always told me that he had to change the newspapers to prove how things really happened because they're always trying to change it.

I never imagined that THAT guy was right but it is absolutely so.

At some point during the Clinton presidency more federal tax was collected then was spent. The national debt clock ran backwards. This is an easy to verify fact.

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