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Heads up on airport

March 9, 2013

Many of you may not be aware that our local airport, here in Lycoming County, is one of two hundred airports listed as possibly closing April 1st due to the sequester....

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outten

Mar-10-13 8:42 AM

Just a quick comment on the latest AOPA president's last letter to the FAA. It is titled "FAA sequestration cuts not safe or sensible". He quotes verbatim, "The White House budget office has forced troubling, and possibly dangerous cuts on the FAA". He then goes on calling them unsafe, unwise and unacceptable to AOPA members. He also says that these cuts will have dire consequences for air safety and general aviation. This coming from the president of the PILOTS association. Feel free to google it if you would like to read the rest. The tower program has been studied and analyzed for 20 years and every single time the same conclusion.. a cost effective way to maintain safety at smaller airports. It has been proven over and over by anyone and everyone who studies the program.

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outten

Mar-10-13 7:58 AM

eriklatranyi, your right about the aircraft at Lex that departed the wrong rwy. All the info the controller gave the pilot was absolutely correct, the pilot screwed up though .However the controllers job was to monitor that a/c and did not. He screwed up no doubt. But you see that kind of mistake happens all the time even with the more experienced pilots but the reason nothing happens is because the controllers have the pilots back.Sure in reviewing literally thousands and thousands of operations ,a few lapses from controllers occur. Without the eyes of the controllers, you will see alot more of that kind of stuff. Everything I have mentioned is 100% true. We can't make mistakes in our jobs or bad things will happen. Everything we say is recorded so it can be analyzed. We have monthly training and tests as well. Basically , I am saying that on a busy spring or summer day I sure as*****wouldn't fly into here on USAIR with a bunch of Cessna and Cherokees in the airspace, no way .

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outten

Mar-10-13 7:43 AM

As a controller we get virtually no credit for what we do. Let me just make a list of some of the things pilots do that we fix LITERALLY EVERY DAY... They give the wrong position reports when coming in . They try to depart wrong runways but we ensure they depart the right one, ie.one departed wrong rwy with a jet crossing the same rwy, I had to stop the jet from crossing. the at fault a/c never acknowleged me . He was written up btw. They cross hold short lines. Before we are even open they taxi and try to depart with no rwy or twy lights in the pitch dark, and yes this even happens with our USAIR flights. 3 weeks ago I took action to ensure a twin didnt turn into the ridge in marginal VFR wx. We provide valuable services and it makes me sick to read some of these comments from people who haven't a clue. The AOPA president is doing everything possible to keep towers open because he knows the potentially devastating impacts that will come without us.That says alot.

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outten

Mar-10-13 7:26 AM

Enigma, YOU need to learn something about ATC before you go spouting off about things you obviously haven't got a clue about. To suggest the control would come from Philly or Pittsburgh is just plain stupid. Those are approach control facilities and only cover around 60 miles. The closest approach control facility to IPT is AVP and they dont even service the airport. New York Center services this airport but only to aircraft above 3000' because they can't see below that altitude. Even if they could they aren't required to provide ATC to VFR aircraft which the majority of aircraft fly into here are. Our manager is also an instructor pilot and he has told us many times about some of the crazy stuff that goes on at non towered airports. When it gets busy its basically a reactive approach taken rather than a proactive approach at towered airports.Why, because in a towered airport , positive control is provided that develops a plan to safely and efficiently separate and CONTROL AIRCRAFT.

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eriklatranyi

Mar-09-13 3:11 PM

CHayes defends having controllers in the tower...like those in Lexington, KY when Comair 5191 taxi'ed onto the wrong runway (too short) and crashed, burning 49 people alive.

The controller in the tower admitted not watching while the plane went for departure.

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WKnapp

Mar-09-13 1:57 PM

Hazyhughes is a real student of Dale Carnegie! He's just making friends and influencing people all OVER the place!

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enigma

Mar-09-13 11:58 AM

CHayes,"So then enigma, you're claing that forced layoffs are actually an attempt to put a Remote and Virtual Tower system in place at the Williamsport Regional Airport?"

No, I am saying that the air traffic around Willimsport is already controlled by the New York Zone. Only final approach and takeoffs are controlled locally and even those are coordinated through the New York zone. With six commercial flights a day and very limited private traffic, that leaves little for the controllers to do. Many small airports have no controllers and don't have any safety issues.

To answer your question, I am not a pilot, but I am a passenger so I do want to be safe, and I don't see this as a problem. How many hours of commercial flying time do you have?

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CHayes

Mar-09-13 11:32 AM

So then enigma, you're claing that forced layoffs are actually an attempt to put a Remote and Virtual Tower system in place at the Williamsport Regional Airport?

How many hours do you have in the command seat of an aircraft again?

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enigma

Mar-09-13 11:07 AM

CHayes,"A multi runway airport that handles both commercial and private traffic should not be allowed to operate without a tower."

No airport operates without a tower and this one wouldn't either. The tower would just be located at a different airport. IPT would not be operating without air traffic control, the control would just come from Philly or Pittsburgh as it does now. Learn something about the air traffic control system before you make such ridiculous statements.

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CHayes

Mar-09-13 10:56 AM

"Who cares?"

So in other words, because YOU don't use the airport, you don't give a wit about the safety of the hundreds who do on a daily basis. Typical.

A multi runway airport that handles both commercial and private traffic should not be allowed to operate without a tower.

But of course the same party who fielded a Presidential candidate that open puzzled at why passenger compartment windows don't open in airplanes, thinks different. Shocker.

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Alsever

Mar-09-13 9:43 AM

Who cares? Local airport is TOO expensive to use. Just flew Roundtrip to Mexico City out of Philly for total price including taxes of $208. Drove to Philly Airport and parked my car there for the 3 weeks I was in Mexico which was cheaper than paying $350 for a roundtrip ticket from Wmpt to Philly.

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mikekerstetter

Mar-09-13 9:31 AM

gavinf56-"Hmmm, so the laying off of the atc's at the local airport could be politically motivated since the district representative has an "R" associated with his name?"

Hadn't thought about that possibility, Gavin. Good point.

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enigma

Mar-09-13 9:17 AM

This letter shows what's wrong with this country. The information in it is completely wrong. The airport is not shutting down, only the control tower. To tell you the truth, I thought it was already shut down until I read the article that they were shutting it down. It makes no sense to have a manned tower at an airport with six flights a day (3 arriving, 3 departing). What a waste of money.

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CHayes

Mar-09-13 9:14 AM

" Yea, there are some things in the Presidents plan they may like, the problem is Harry Reid is not going to let those "likes" come to a vote on his Senate floor"

It's a little late for that kind if talk Gavin, as the sequester is in full effect. And the observation about the Senate is kind if stupid. If that were true, why wouldn't Republicans just pass the Presidents plan intact, then let Harry Reid take the rap?

Heckuva way to "rebuild" your party Brownie.

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gavinf56

Mar-09-13 8:53 AM

"At some point, Congressional Republicans are going to need to take responsibility for their unwillingness to compromise." - CHayes

They have already agreed to tax hikes Chris. What are they not compromising on, more tax hikes?

Yea, there are some things in the Presidents plan they may like, the problem is Harry Reid is not going to let those "likes" come to a vote on his Senate floor and until the President actually starts leading rather than campaigning, we have where we are today.

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CHayes

Mar-09-13 8:53 AM

And incidentally, I think one could make a strong case for not building a new airport. It's not really possible to make a strong case for closing the tower at IPT. That's ridiculous.

I will say that there very well be a good reason to build a new airport. I haven't flown a private plane in over 30 years, and I haven't flown a commercial flight out of Williamsport in over 15 years. I have no idea if a new airport is needed or not.

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CHayes

Mar-09-13 8:47 AM

" Hmmm, so the laying off of the atc's at the local airport could be politically motivated since the district representative has an "R" associated with his name"

There's nothing political about a temper tantrum Gavin. The President played out a plan that could have averted this. Republicans in Congress didn't even apparently care to look at, which is unfortunate, because there was a lot there for them to like. At some point, Congressional Republicans are going to need to take responsibility for their unwillingness to compromise.

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CHayes

Mar-09-13 8:41 AM

" What traffic? You mean fans in their private planes?"

There is HUGE charter and private plane traffic at Williamsport for the LL World Series every year. And then of course there are also 1 or 2 slow moving blimps generally putting around the area then too.

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gavinf56

Mar-09-13 8:41 AM

"Not sure if you noticed Roger, but nobody was talking about closing the tower, or the airport.at IPT, until Republicans in Congress through yet another tantrum., and apparently even refused to look at what the President was offering." - CHayes

Hmmm, so the laying off of the atc's at the local airport could be politically motivated since the district representative has an "R" associated with his name?

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CHayes

Mar-09-13 8:37 AM

" First, for the stupid who predict plane crashes due to a lack of controllers....there are hundreds of uncontrolled airports across the country."

So then to your mind, because there are single runway landing strips without a control tower that handle zero commercial traffic, we should shut down the tower at JFK?

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CHayes

Mar-09-13 8:32 AM

" Does anyone else see the irony in spending 13 or 14 million dollars on a new "glass and timber" airport terminal building while at the same time talking about closing the tower and airport."

Not sure if you noticed Roger, but nobody was talking about closing the tower, or the airport.at IPT, until Republicans in Congress through yet another tantrum., and apparently even refused to look at what the President was offering.

Building a new airport is a seperate issue.If you feel its "pork barrel" spending, then that would mean it originated with one or both of our area Congressmen, both Republicans. You should direct your questions to Tom Marino, and Glenn Thompson.

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Tedeaux

Mar-09-13 8:19 AM

CHayes comment:"At one point I had abou,50 hours logged." With thinking like that, maybe you should become a Dr of Proctology with as much time as you spend with head up your own backside!

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CMReeder

Mar-09-13 8:02 AM

Why would an aiport need a control tower? I quess the writer should have said he got it from a chat room.

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RogerMurdock

Mar-09-13 8:02 AM

Does anyone else see the irony in spending 13 or 14 million dollars on a new "glass and timber" airport terminal building while at the same time talking about closing the tower and airport. I don't see anything wrong with the present terminal building. Talk about your pork barrel spending on non-essentials. What is needed is a realistic sense of priorities.

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eriklatranyi

Mar-09-13 8:01 AM

First, for the stupid who predict plane crashes due to a lack of controllers....there are hundreds of uncontrolled airports across the country. Planes take-off and land without incident thousands of times per day.

Second, Williamsport is not losing all controllers. So, it will have part-time controllers in the tower, hence, Little League time will be just fine.

More hysteria from the people who cannot find a dime of waste in our $3.7+ trillion dollar budget.

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